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re: MLB Scouts and Executives Rank Sophomore Class
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:13 pm to Broseph Barksdale
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:13 pm to Broseph Barksdale
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Could go down as an all-time class.
Very easily. You are looking at a number of pitchers that are straight dominating this year, you have multiple MVPs candidates in Trout and Harper. Just a nasty class
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Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:14 pm to The White Lobster
quote:Rizzo is OPSing .826 at 23 y/o.
If he's just an average hitter he'll be more valuable than a .800 OPS first baseman.
I think it's safe to assume he won't be an .750-.800 OPS player his whole career.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:19 pm to piggidyphish
I don't think he's close to peeking. His ceiling just isn't as high as Simmons.
He's always has a pretty large platoon split in the minors, especially last year. I don't know his numbers for this year but it isn't a big enough sample size to convince me can be elite.
I think the Cubs made a great decision giving him the contract, I just don't think he'll be more valuable than Simmons
He's always has a pretty large platoon split in the minors, especially last year. I don't know his numbers for this year but it isn't a big enough sample size to convince me can be elite.
I think the Cubs made a great decision giving him the contract, I just don't think he'll be more valuable than Simmons
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:22 pm to The White Lobster
quote:Smaller sample size for my argument here, but so far this year he's better against LHP than RHP.
He's always has a pretty large platoon split in the minors,
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:25 pm to The White Lobster
quote:
His ceiling just isn't as high as Simmons.
if simmons is the best defender out there...then hasn't he reached his cealing?
I think you were right when you said a great defensive and average hitting short stop is better than a .750 OPS first baseman. I don't think that describes rizzo but i do think it describes simmons.
This post was edited on 5/31/13 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:26 pm to The Sad Banana
I didn't realize that. Again I can't look it up right now but I think he had around an 80 point difference last year in average and 200 points in OPS...but at just 22 years old of course
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:28 pm to The White Lobster
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He's always has a pretty large platoon split in the minors
Right...when he had a long looping swing. That isn't the swing he has now. You can point to those numbers but be fair and at least acknowledge the change.
Afterall that's what got him demoted ot the minors with the pads in the first place.
and he's only had maybe 30 fewer PAs this year against lefites than he did last year. So i think if youw ant to use 2012, you have to use 2013 too.
This post was edited on 5/31/13 at 1:31 pm
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:29 pm to piggidyphish
Simmons hasn't hit yet. If he and Rizzo both hit to their potential...Simmons above average-good, Rizzo great-elite...then I'd personally rather have the elite defender who is a good base runner than the first baseman.
I know I'm biased or whatever, but that's my opinion
I know I'm biased or whatever, but that's my opinion
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:30 pm to piggidyphish
Simmons can't improve at the plate because he plays great defense?
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:31 pm to piggidyphish
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I think you were right when you said a great defensive and average hitting short stop
his defense isn't just "great" though.
He's posting all-timer type metrics.
I could go either way, but if Simmons is the greatest defensive SS in baseball history at some point you have to consider that may be more valuable than a slugging 1B.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:31 pm to lsu31always
quote:
Simmons can't improve at the plate because he plays great defense?
sure he can, why couldn't he?
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:32 pm to OBUDan
quote:
I could go either way, but if Simmons is the greatest defensive SS in baseball history at some point you have to consider that may be more valuable than a slugging 1B.
I've already said i only tip the scale to rizzo because i'm a cubs fan.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:32 pm to piggidyphish
Okay he changed his swing. He didn't hit in the first three weeks and hasn't hit recently either.
He hasn't done much this year to change my opinion of what he'll end up as...I think he'll be good just not elite
He hasn't done much this year to change my opinion of what he'll end up as...I think he'll be good just not elite
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:34 pm to The White Lobster
quote:
who is a good base runner than the first baseman.
Just for giggles...rizzo has 3 more SB than simmons this year.
Freddie doesn't run, i know...but like i said...for giggles.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:34 pm to The White Lobster
quote:Yes. And it should be noted that his chances against LHP are less than RHP, but still...he's hung in there against lefties this year, and all I'm saying is that it could be taken as a sign of an adjustment and growth in his approach. Emphasize "could be".
I didn't realize that. Again I can't look it up right now but I think he had around an 80 point difference last year in average and 200 points in OPS...but at just 22 years old of course
Posted on 5/31/13 at 1:34 pm to The White Lobster
quote:
I think he'll be good just not elite
And i think simmons will be average...not good.
Full circle.
Posted on 5/31/13 at 2:22 pm to piggidyphish
You're wasting your breath
Most unbiased parties are taking Rizzo
Derek Jeter is one of the worst defensive SS and has been an integral party of numerous championships amirite?
Most unbiased parties are taking Rizzo
Derek Jeter is one of the worst defensive SS and has been an integral party of numerous championships amirite?
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