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Posted on 1/25/25 at 6:36 pm to
Posted by LCrox
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 1/25/25 at 6:36 pm to
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Since they only pay California income taxes for half their games, I wonder if players can request contracts that pay most of their salary for road games.


Wouldn’t it be more in CA taxes since they divisional road games at San Diego and San Francisco plus the 81 home games in LA
Posted by Hank Tank
Member since Nov 2024
272 posts
Posted on 1/25/25 at 6:42 pm to
My question is how does a salary cap help for deferred money?
Posted by Stamps74
Member since Nov 2017
1518 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 5:00 am to
They all have general wealth, why don’t they just do what the dodgers do ?
Posted by AldousSnow26
Chicago
Member since Dec 2024
122 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 7:34 am to
The issue with the Dodgers model is that if your bet doesn't pay off, ie. you don't win a World Series or generate enough revenue, than you won't be able to pay out the player in however many years, or it will be a terrible ROI.

Imagine if Ohtani immediately suffered a career-ending injury, it's a remote possibility, but if it happened, his entire deal is guaranteed per my understanding. A lot of teams don't want to take that kind of risk. It's something only 5-10 teams could do, and only the Mets and the Dodgers would have the balls to do IMO.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150070 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 8:37 am to
Again, feel like people don't understand how deferred money works. People don't just sit for 10 years, twiddling their thumbs, and go oh shite! once the deferments kick in

You have to actually show baseball you have the money to cover them, then they go into an account, and teams then can literally invest that money and earn profit on it

Teams typically make money on deferred salaries
Posted by Tiger Ugly
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2008
18636 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 8:42 am to
quote:

They all have general wealth, why don’t they just do what the dodgers do ?


I don't pretend to know which billionaires are richer than the others and who can really afford to spend stupid and which can't.

I do know the Dodgers tv deal is by far the best in baseball and it's not even close, meanwhile half the MLB teams have been hamstrung by servers that they've contracted to games for them have gone bankrupt and can't pay them.

That's a significant thing and the money the Donders get from their contract give the organization HUGE advantage over any and every team in the league. While Cohen can spend his own money and maybe a couple of other owners too have to actual personal wealth to spend like the Dodgers none have that 25 year tv contract that pours in the money annually anwhere close to what the Dodgers have.
Posted by AldousSnow26
Chicago
Member since Dec 2024
122 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 8:59 am to
So how much money did the Dodgers toss into an escrow account to cover his entire contract? It must be prohibitive or it would be common practice.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150070 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 9:31 am to
My understanding is that because of what happened with the DBacks in the 2000s, that baseball literally requires all of the deffered money to be put into an escrow account upfront to prove that they can actually afford it and that they won't run into solvency issues paying it out like Arizona did

Deferred salaries are incredibly common. Just not that amount
Posted by AldousSnow26
Chicago
Member since Dec 2024
122 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 10:59 am to
I think the logic behind that makes sense, but I feel like there are never disagreements over a club wanting a deferred contract and a player not wanting one, at least publicly.

There are probably pros and cons on both the club and player side for their use, which come down to a case-by-case basis.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
150070 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 11:13 am to
players are pro deferrments because it drives salaries up in total value. owners are pro deferments because it stretches their payments out and they can then let that money actually work for them

both sides generally like them but what happened in ohtanis case is uinque.since he has so much money coming from other places. doubt we will ever see someone agree to defer 97% of their deal ever again

while i typically have the belief that every single organization in baseball massively downplays their revenues and could absolutely afford 200+mm contracts on the regular, putting up 680mm upfront is obviously something that a number of organizations couldnt do so....i do kinda get the consternation of the ohtani deal

maybe something gets put in place going forward where deferrals are allowed but instead of a total salary cap, somethign that is a complete non starter for the players and would absolutely 100% bring the entire 2027 season into jeopardy, we have a deferred salary cap
Posted by nicholastiger
Member since Jan 2004
55756 posts
Posted on 1/26/25 at 4:39 pm to
Does Presley trade free up resources for Bregman
Posted by CRDNLSCHMCPSN11
Member since Dec 2014
18375 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 3:52 pm to
quote:

Fay Vincent, who took over as Major League Baseball's commissioner in 1989 and navigated the league through the earthquake-disrupted Bay Area World Series, has died at the age of 86, MLB announced Sunday.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 2/2/25 at 6:10 pm to
I honestly didn't know that he was still alive
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