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re: Mike Trout, is he done for?
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:04 pm to EphesianArmor
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:04 pm to EphesianArmor
Career triple slash in high leverage situations (source: Fangraphs)
Trout- .289/.432/.540
Griffey Jr.- .247/.347/.461
Disclaimer: not exactly sure how Fangraphs classifies “high leverage”
Trout- .289/.432/.540
Griffey Jr.- .247/.347/.461
Disclaimer: not exactly sure how Fangraphs classifies “high leverage”
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Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:04 pm to EphesianArmor
quote:216 ISO lmao
That .870 OPS is distorted by Trout's BBs
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:04 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
and you think team accomplishments matter for an individual
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:06 pm to WestCoastAg
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and you think team accomplishments matter for an individual
Of course they matter, it’s called sports.
Play golf or tennis if you don’t want them to
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:08 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Of course they matter
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:08 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Bonds never had an argument for the HOF because he didn't win anything. The PEDs are just the excuse to not vote for him
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:11 pm to Dire Wolf
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Bonds never had an argument for the HOF because he didn't win anything.
As I’ve said from the very beginning, winning isn’t the only thing that matters, but it does matter. There’s nothing wrong with a mixture of qualitative and quantitative consideration
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:14 pm to Dire Wolf
That Ted Williams guy was good but he just didn’t have the winner gene, held him back from being an all time great
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:17 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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That Ted Williams guy was good but he just didn’t have the winner gene, held him back from being an all time great
I can see the difference between serving in a fricking world war in the middle of your prime and wasting away in Anaheim and missing 50+ games a year. But I’m not dishonest or a moron
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:17 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I’m not dishonest or a moron
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:23 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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As I’ve said from the very beginning, winning isn’t the only thing that matters, but it does matter.
baseball isn't basketball where you can put up junk stats on a bad team. If he were a borderline guy, maybe it would be worth bringing up. He is far from borderline HOFer
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:26 pm to Dire Wolf
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baseball isn't basketball where you can put up junk stats on a bad team.
I agree
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If he were a borderline guy, maybe it would be worth bringing up
I disagree
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He is far from borderline HOFer
I agree
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:46 pm to The Seaward
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Career triple slash in high leverage situations (source: Fangraphs)
Trout- .289/.432/.540
Griffey Jr.- .247/.347/.461
Disclaimer: not exactly sure how Fangraphs classifies “high leverage”
There would seem to be redundancy here but the two categories are apparent different.
Yeah there's also a 'High Leverage" category as well as "Late & Close and RISP w/2Outs" (which to me clearly define "CLUTCH".)
Griffey Jr., Career :
(Baseball Reference)
261 .417 .498 (RISP w/2Outs)
.267 .374 .489 (Late & Close)
IMO Clutch stats much better and consistent than Trout -- especially considering the distinctly different eras they played AND the way Griffey almost always punished the NY Yankees.
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:49 pm to EphesianArmor
quote:860 OPS for Griffey in late & close versus 870 for trout
IMO Clutch stats much better and consistent than Trout
Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:50 pm to ShaneTheLegLechler
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That Ted Williams guy was good but he just didn’t have the winner gene, held him back from being an all time great
IF Teddy had been switched out as a Yankee and Joe D a Redsock, would have anything changed?
I think it may have been the lack of a Boston Redsox PITCHING GENE during the 40s and 50s (as well as the New York Yankees Steamroller Gene during the same time
)Posted on 3/17/25 at 1:57 pm to WestCoastAg
Different eras
1990s and early 2000s, Mr. Clutch Griffey Jr)
vs
2010s-Present (Mr. BB /Unclutch, Trout)
PLUS Griffey was a leader; Trout lays back (that's ok, but that's NOT "leading" and inspiring the guys to win.)
PLUS Trout did a LOT of stat-padding while the Angels were perennially down 8-2
PLUS What part of Trout's BB-enhanced silicon OPS .870 matters don't you understand (when RBIs via SLG are what's needed to win the game?)
1990s and early 2000s, Mr. Clutch Griffey Jr)
vs
2010s-Present (Mr. BB /Unclutch, Trout)
PLUS Griffey was a leader; Trout lays back (that's ok, but that's NOT "leading" and inspiring the guys to win.)
PLUS Trout did a LOT of stat-padding while the Angels were perennially down 8-2
PLUS What part of Trout's BB-enhanced silicon OPS .870 matters don't you understand (when RBIs via SLG are what's needed to win the game?)
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:02 pm to EphesianArmor
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PLUS What part of Trout's BB-enhanced silicon OPS .870 matters don't you understand (when RBIs via SLG are what's needed to win the game?)
quote:
216 ISO lmao
Posted on 3/17/25 at 2:41 pm to EphesianArmor
Griffey played in the more offensive friendly era. You are pretty clearly just biased towards Griffey/biased against Trout.
This post was edited on 3/17/25 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 3/17/25 at 3:25 pm to The Seaward
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Griffey played in the more offensive friendly era. You are pretty clearly just biased towards Griffey/biased against Trout.
I think Griffey is romanticized post career a little bit, but he had more hits in the first 10 years of his career than Trout does now through 14 seasons
Posted on 3/17/25 at 3:27 pm to Skenes
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but if he continues to play like he has and doesn't hit some important counting stats does it hurt him?
hurt his legacy? Sure. His HOF chances? LOL NO.
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