re: Michael Vick Dogs story on ESPN E:60 right now

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like I said, I get that what he did was wrong, but some you guys take the shite too far, this guy is a high profile athlete that a lot of people are jealous of and they want to see him burn in hell to satisfy there on warped agendas, so they use the dog abuse as a frickin excuse for it, the man paid the price, was found guilty, did his time, and will pay the price for the rest of his life. his image will be forever tarnished, it will hurt him in future endorsement deals and everything, so move the frick on.

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i can say with 100% confidence that this thread was not started out of anything but disgust for what I saw on the ESPN360 story. I knew about what he did obviously but didn't know about the detail in which he preformed excuting his dogs. I am not the least bit jealous or envious of that sick frick, especially seeing as he is in prison right now and I am not. That being said you are correct, his reputation and image will forever bee tarnished with this and talking about what he did is part of what goes along with that. Oh and I feel just awful for him that his endorcement deals won't ever be the same.

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Every volunteer at a women's and children's homeless shelter? I take it that the answer to that question is NO.

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ever volunteer at a animal shelter? apples and oranges.

i didn't know children and women were pit vs other women and children to fight to the death.

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Well, HOMELESS AND HUNGRY CHILDREN CAN NOT.

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and who should we punish? society? give me a break. they may be victims but no one is treating them poorly. everyone has a hard luck story but no one is bred to kill.

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An overreaction? Wow

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What's funny is that it sounds like Sophrandos and I are probably two of the biggest animal lovers in this thread. My girlfriend and I have a rescue dog as well as our purebred. If we didn't adopt him he was going to be euthanized.

I love dogs and yet I think people overreacted to what Vick did - especially compared to all the other ills that are performed on animals every day.

What Vick did was horrible, but it was part of his culture. I don't think he viewed it as murder or turture, just like you don't view it as supporting murder or torture when you order veal at an Italian restaurant. Because it's your CULTURE that says it's okay. I'm pretty sure that once Vick was forced to step back and see his acts through other people's eyes he was like "damn - I'm gonna get skewered". Just like if everytime you ordered Veal you had to watch a YouTube video on the life of a veal calf you'd probably think "damn, I'm a selfish prick".

By the way, Clinton Portis' comments are just so indicative of the way that young southern black guys from rural areas view dog fighting. It completely IS a cultural thing. Portis' comments that "it's just dogs - damn" is the way that he was raised.

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That truth is this: Humans >>>> Dogs.

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Unless you know any gladiators, then that has nothing to do with this arguement. You act as if there are no rules against the killing of humans. What does homeless/hungry people have to do with fighting dogs? One is a crime and the other is a tragedy.

and being a part of one's "culture", doesn't make it right or acceptable.

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What's funny is that it sounds like Sophrandos and I are probably two of the biggest animal lovers in this thread. My girlfriend and I have a rescue dog as well as our purebred. If we didn't adopt him he was going to be euthanized.

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we also have two katrina Dogs who were going to be put down as well as a pure bred bulldog so don't try to play the "we are the biggest animal lovers" card just because you went to the pound. I can not see how anyone who has dogs in their family could ever stick up for this piece of shite.

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What Vick did was horrible, but it was part of his culture. I don't think he viewed it as murder or turture, just like you don't view it as supporting murder or torture when you order veal at an Italian restaurant. Because it's your CULTURE that says it's okay.

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That is a bullshite cop out. First of all i think torturing any living thing is god awful. I do not condone that on any level but to say that every piece of chicken or beef that has been pushed through the grocery store or local restaurant has been tortured before it was killed is stupid and ignorant. I also pointed out before that I have never ordered veal or had it because of the nature it is made and i never will. Any "culture" who thinks that torturing dogs who lose you money is ok is severly fricked up in the head and should be punished for their actions. It is NEVER ok to put dogs through what he did with electricution, hanging, body slamming until they were dead etc... It is also not ok to do this to cows, horses, chickens etc... but they are on a different level than Dogs in American culture. This is like saying dogs being tortured and people being tortured are equal when they are clearly not. Dogs are household pets that become apart of peoples family much more in our society than cows, chickens or whatever so they are viewed as more important to most of America. The "it was his culture" excuse is so wrong on so many levels.

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I'm pretty sure that once Vick was forced to step back and see his acts through other people's eyes he was like "damn - I'm gonna get skewered". Just like if everytime you ordered Veal you had to watch a YouTube video on the life of a veal calf you'd probably think "damn, I'm a selfish prick".

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And he probably didn't have remorse for his actions because he is demented. Once agains I will say I have never eaten veal but there is no comparrison between the two. When baby cows are tortured for veal it is wrong in my opinion but at least you can say they are being used as food. What was Vicks excuse? He enjoyed watching these dogs suffer so much he invested a ton of money to buy a house and all of the equiptment he could to fund it. He went out of his way to buy the pool he would throw the dogs in to eletricute them. He did not shoot the dogs after they lost a fight for him, he body slammed them time after time until they were dead. What normal person does this? If I see a video of a baby cow being tortured I feel compassion for the calf even though I have never had a pet cow or had any emotional attachment to that cow because I am a normal human being who feels sad in these situations. I feel even more compassion for dogs when I see them being tortured and bred to kill each other because I have three dogs of my own who I love and care for very much. This guy took pleasure in seeing these dogs suffer which is so fricked up to me I can not explain it.

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By the way, Clinton Portis' comments are just so indicative of the way that young southern black guys from rural areas view dog fighting. It completely IS a cultural thing. Portis' comments that "it's just dogs - damn" is the way that he was raised.

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So we should just write it off and ask them to please stop? Give me a fricking break. It is not a normal cultural thing to watch something suffer. Again. if it is then that culture is extremely fricked up.

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Let me type slowly for you.

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ditto

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My issue here is with the level of outrage and press coverage. There is little to no outrage or press coverage over horrific things that happen to humans in this country daily. In fact, the people who seem the most upset with Vick probably wouldn't even donate to a homeless shelter.

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You do realize WHO Vick is? again, if you're not fighting homeless humans to the death than homelessness has nothing to do with this thread.

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Don't complain about his inhumane treatment of those dogs while ignoring the inhumane treatment of humans all around you.

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Inhumane? No one person is treating homeless people inhumanely. It's a tragedy not a crime. They are misfortunate but not maliciously bred to kill for entertainment. You need another example.

Both are injustices, yet only one gets press.

I'm not talking about the fighting of dogs (you're obsessing over one highly emotional aspect of the case). I'm talking about inhumane treatment of people and animals. And yes, homelessness IS relevant to this discussion because many people have shown more emotion and compassion for these dogs than they have for the people whom they have stepped over and IGNORED all around them.

THAT, my friend, is a damned shame.

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So you think that people saying that Vick should, essentially, be killed for what he did isn't an overreaction?

Or are you saying that, even though he served his time and paid his debt to society, he shouldn't be allowed to pursue his career isn't an overreaction?

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I never said he should be killed. I don't agree with that obviously and if the law says it is ok for him to play football again then it is ok, I just hope personally that no team does. If the Texans, my favorite NFL team, would pick him up I would stop watching. I would not tell others they should stop watching but that would be my personal decision out of my disgust for that man.

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YES, in my opinion, much of the rhetoric surrounding Vick is and EXTREME overreaction. In fact, the fact that this has gotten more airtime on non-sports television than homelessness and hunger COMBINED over the last couple of years should embarrass us as a society. The fact that NO ONE complains about the dogs who are killed ANNUALLY at the Iditarod and other sled races speaks volumes, not to mention the lack of concern over the treatment of cattle, pigs, and chickens. I'm not even going to get into the hunters who go to "hunting grounds" where they put a trail of food out for the deer to just walk up and get gunned down for "sport"...

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I don't hunt but you really need to stop comparing dogs to Chicken, Cows, Deer, or any other animal for that matter. "man's best friend" is more important to people in American society than any of these animals and are seen as such. Same reason you don't want people to compare dogs to humans.