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re: Member when Koepka called out DJ Saturday Night at the PGA?
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:41 am to lsupride87
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:41 am to lsupride87
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He has had 64 consecutive weeks at number 1, 5th most all time, and he has done it in by far the most competitive era of golf
OWGR started in 1986 so that’s not exactly fair if you’re trying to use that for DJ’s all time ranking.
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Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:45 am to lsupride87
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But if he get 3+ majors and 40+ wins, he is absolutely in my top 10 all time considering the era he has done it in
I can understand your reasoning. I still think he’d need at least 4 or 5 for me to even consider him top 10. Winning all the tournaments is definitely incredibly impressive, but 3 majors is only 30th all time.
His longevity is so good, but I still think winning the biggest tournaments matter a lot. DJ’s had his chances too.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:50 am to lsupride87
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I hate hate hate being so simple as to use only majors to rank golfers. We are humans, we have to be able to use all data
Those guys all have a ton of wins on tour as well, many more than DJ. The majors only add to the argument. And if we're talking about the all-time best golfers, majors titles is going to be the most important criteria.
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DJ has won a tournament in 12 straight seasons
Great, that is certainly impressive, but he's going to need to string together 4+ win seasons for about the next decade to even be comparable to Phil, and Phil probably isn't a top 10 golfer of all-time either.
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He has had 64 consecutive weeks at number 1, 5th most all time, and he has done it in by far the most competitive era of golf
The World Golf Rankings have only existed since 1986. That leaves out the majority of the top 10 best golfers of all-time as it stands today. And golf being more competitive today than it's ever has been is going to make it that much more difficult for DJ to accumulate the wins he needs. And you said it right there. That puts him 5th all-time just in the World Golf Rankings. So from 1986-present, he's only 5th in that metric. But he's not even close to top 5 in Tour (or worldwide) wins or major championships in that same time frame.
Rory has a much, much better shot at getting into that top5/top10 discussion than DJ does and I have my doubts on Rory winning enough majors to get there. So does Justin Thomas. Thomas, for instance has the same number of major titles (1) and has 13 PGA Tour wins (5 more worldwide wins), and Thomas is only 27 years old. I just don't think it's fair to say someone is on pace to get to that elite tier of players if they're not even close right now and when they're on the wrong side of 35 years old.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:52 am to lsupride87
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But if he get 3+ majors and 40+ wins
Do you really think it's even remotely probable he wins 40 or more golf tournaments? He'd need to match his best career season (2017: 4 wins) every year the next 10 years (he'd be 46 years old) to do that.
But sure, if he won 40+ more tournaments and 3 more majors, yes he'd be in the conversation but stil borderline top 10. That would give him 4 career majors and put him 5th in all-time wins on Tour behind Tiger, Snead, Jack, and Hogan.
I honestly don't know why we always try to have these conversations with so many people. DJ, is no question going to be one of the best golfers of his generation, and that's completely fine. But golf has been around for a long, long time. Guys like Tiger don't come around very often. Phil, for all his success and longevity, is still probably only in that 10-15 group of all-time. It's almost unfair to DJ to try to compare him to the all-time greats because what he's done is very impressive.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 11:56 am
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:57 am to Dawgsontop34
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Yes, he’s on Phil’s pace, but that doesn’t guarantee he’ll win more majors. I think he gets a couple more, but it’s not a lock at all.
He's really not even on Phil's pace for tournament wins unless he carried the pace he's been on the past few years for 10 more years. He has slightly more than half of the wins Phil has on Tour, and Phil has 13 additional wins worldwide for a total of 57. Johnson has 23 pga wins and 7 worldwide for a total of 30.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:17 pm to lsufball19
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he's going to need to string together 4+ win seasons for about the next decade to even be comparable to Phil
So he needs, according to you, AT LEAST 40 more wins, bringing his total to 63, just to be comparable to Phil, who has 44 wins?
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:21 pm to WildcatMike
Bruce has withdrawn from the US Open
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:26 pm to lsufball19
When I say Phil’s pace, it’s moreso, he has a similar career to Phil for how long they’ve been on tour. But Phil also had one of the best stretches from 35-50 in PGA Tour history so obviously a tall task for DJ to get there.
Brooksy out for the US Open as well.
Brooksy out for the US Open as well.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:26 pm to CatfishJohn
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So he needs, according to you, AT LEAST 40 more wins, bringing his total to 63, just to be comparable to Phil, who has 44 wins?
Phil also has 5 major championships. I said “about a decade.” It would take him 8 years and some change of 4 win seasons to equal Phil’s number of worldwide wins. It would take about 7 years averaging 3 wins (on the PGA Tour) to match Phil’s PGA Tour wins. Then there’s the majors. He’s 4 behind Phil right now.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:29 pm to lsufball19
I would say, barring injury, he'll get at least 4 majors and 40+ wins.
But yes, anything can happen, he could get hurt or have a mental breakdown or marry Paulina and realize he's now a billionaire through marriage and just quit caring.
Who knows
But yes, anything can happen, he could get hurt or have a mental breakdown or marry Paulina and realize he's now a billionaire through marriage and just quit caring.
Who knows
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:31 pm to CatfishJohn
I have seen many golfers get married and after awhile their game goes to crap....
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:31 pm to CatfishJohn
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I would say, barring injury, he'll get at least 4 majors and 40+ wins.
Based on his career, how can you say that. DJ has been in the mix for a long time now with only one major to show for it and hasn’t won but about half of 40 tournaments his entire career and now he’s going to do that in the next 10-15 years? What’s changed? Seriously, had he not gotten hot the past three weeks, would we even be having this conversation?
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:34 pm to lsufball19
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Based on his career, how can you say that. DJ has been in the mix for a long time now with only one major to show for it. What’s changed? Seriously, had he not gotten hot the past three weeks, would we even be having this conversation?
Because his game is stronger than ever and he's been runner-up in the 3 other majors. In the next 5 years I think he'll win 3 more. 3 out of the next 20 majors seems doable for a guy playing at his level.
ETA:
Koepka just withdrew next week.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 1:36 pm
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:40 pm to Dawgsontop34
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Brooksy out for the US Open as well.
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Welp, there goes the BK taint sniffer pick for the pick em contest.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 1:41 pm
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:42 pm to lsufball19
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Seriously, had he not gotten hot the past three weeks, would we even be having this conversation?
Did you miss his run before he slipped on the stairs during Augusta?
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:51 pm to WildcatMike
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Did you miss his run before he slipped on the stairs during Augusta?
No I didn’t. He won three tournaments three years ago. Did you miss where he won 1 tournament between July of 2018 and June of 2020?
So I’ll ask again, had he not had a hot last three weeks, would we be having this conversation? Him not being on pace to win FORTY more tournaments doesn’t mean he hasn’t been a top 5 player the last 10 years or that he isn’t playing the best golf on tour right now. I think people need to pump the breaks, nothing more nothing less. He’s so far out of that conversation right now that’s it’s not even worth discussing at this point.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 1:53 pm
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:56 pm to lsufball19
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top 5 player the last 10 years
Interesting
Posted on 9/9/20 at 1:58 pm to WildcatMike
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Interesting
What’s interesting? There’s a big leap from saying he’s a top 5 payer over the last 10 years and saying he’s on pace to be a top 5 or top 10 player all time. especially when that player is 36 years old right now
There’s only 10 players who have 40 career wins on tour and DJ is, according to some ITT, likely to accomplish that from the age of 36-46? Or maybe that is simply possible but not very likely. He’s not the first golfer to have a hot streak.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 9/9/20 at 2:30 pm to CatfishJohn
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Because his game is stronger than ever and he's been runner-up in the 3 other majors. In the next 5 years I think he'll win 3 more. 3 out of the next 20 majors seems doable for a guy playing at his level.
I think you’re completely underestimating how hard it is to win a major. And he’s been a runner up, because he tends to struggle in majors down the stretch. Maybe once he gets another, he’ll reel off a couple more, but it’s so freaking tough, the fields are so dang good. I said I think he gets there, but if he doesn’t win another, I wouldn’t be completely shocked.
Posted on 11/14/20 at 9:19 pm to WildcatMike
Just want to bump...because I said so : 
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