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re: Member when Koepka called out DJ Saturday Night at the PGA?
Posted on 9/9/20 at 9:47 am to lsupride87
Posted on 9/9/20 at 9:47 am to lsupride87
Playing with the lead and losing it is choking.
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Posted on 9/9/20 at 9:51 am to WildcatMike
Down vote just for typing "member" instead of REmember.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 9:57 am to tzimme4
What tourney you talking about...
Posted on 9/9/20 at 9:58 am to dukke v
PGA Championship
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:01 am to tzimme4
Ok... well it’s also interesting that if DJ doesn’t start out at -10 to begin this week he would have lost had things went the same....
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:05 am to tzimme4
quote:Only to a simpleton that cant listen to a radio interview
Playing with the lead and losing it is choking.
DJ shot 68 on Sunday, which in no way is that choking. A guy happened to go low as shite and pass him. Thats golf
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:05 am to dukke v
quote:Not really all that interesting
Ok... well it’s also interesting that if DJ doesn’t start out at -10 to begin this week he would have lost had things went the same....
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:17 am to lsufball19
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He’s 36 years old and has 1 major and 23 wins on tour. How exactly is he “on pace” for 40-50 wins and 3-5 majors? So he “only” needs to double his career tournament wins and win 4 more majors when he’s already 36?
It's not really fair to look at it like that considering he's improved tremendously in the last 5 years.
15/23 of his wins came in last 5 years. So if he wins 15 more in the next 5 years he's at 38 by 41 years old. And I think he wins a handful of majors in that timeframe.
Judging by his physical fitness, I'd guess he'll play at a high level until his mid to late 40's.
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He has a LONG way to go to be considered as a top 10 golfer of all-time, much less Top 5.
Agreed, never said differently. But he could definitely get there.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:27 am to Strannix
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Lol you're missing Faldo, Watson, Trevino tons of great players.
Let's not forget Gary Player and Ben Hogan. The other winners of the career slam not named Tiger, Jack or Bobby Jones.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:37 am to dukke v
OWGR has Johnson with a 3rd place finish at East Lake
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:47 am to tzimme4
Fact..... I know he so called earned it, BUT........... I hate that scoring system......
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:49 am to WildcatMike
I hate Keopka. That said , Dustin Johnson probably misses the cut at Winged Foot. Dude is sporadic as shite. And he won the pga cup with a 13 shot lead to start. That makes the entire championship pretty stupid. Majors talk, the rest walks.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 10:55 am to Tigers0891
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Dustin Johnson probably misses the cut at Winged Foot.
Ban bet
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:17 am to lsupride87
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He has 25 professional wins combined not counting crossovers. I think minimum he gets 15 more. You disagree?
And yes or no, do you think he wins 3 or more majors? I say he does
It's theoretically possible, but even if he did all those things, he's not a top 5 golfer of all-time. You'd still have Tiger, Jack, Arnie, Snead, Faldo, Hagen, Player, Watson, Bobby Jones, Sarazan, Trevino, Vardon that have at least 7 majors. Then you have guys like Phil, Byron Nelson, Ballesteros, Faldo, etc that have 5 or more majors. Then there's Ernie Els and Rory who have 4, among others.
But if you look at DJ's career, he's won on tour three or more times in one season 4 times. He's never won more than 4 tournaments in one season: He won 4 in 2017. Let's say he averages two tournament wins each year over the next 5 years, and that won't be easy because he'd be into his 40s doing this. That would still only put him at 33 career wins. I don't think you're grasping how difficult it is to win at that rate for that long, and as he gets older it will only become more difficult.
Btw, this isn't the first time a golfer with a nice run has gotten these types of projections. This has happened, just in the past 5 years or so with Rory, Speith, Koepka, etc. The big problem with DJ is his age. He waited way too deep into his career to start stacking tournaments. For him to even be in the discussion with someone like Phil, who has 57 wins worldwide (excluding his Champions Tour win), he'd need to average 4 wins per year for 9 more years. Phil also has 5 major wins, so add 4 more majors to the one he's won. I just don't see it.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 11:21 am
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:30 am to CatfishJohn
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It's not really fair to look at it like that considering he's improved tremendously in the last 5 years.
Therein lies the problem. He didn't hit his prime years until time wasn't on his side anymore.
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Judging by his physical fitness, I'd guess he'll play at a high level until his mid to late 40's. It is fair to look at his age. Only 4 golfers have 10 or more wins after he age of 40: Vijay Singh (22), Sam Snead (17), Kenny Perry (11), Julius Boros (10). There's also only a handful of guys in their 40s who have won majors, and only Tiger (2019), Hale Irwin (1990) and Payne Stewart (1999) have done it since the mid 80s.
DJ has had back issues sporadically over the past few years, and he had knee surgery a couple years ago. Plenty of golfers who are in peak physical condition can have their careers affected by injury, and those injuries become more prevalent as they get older. Especially someone like DJ who relies so much on power to gain an advantage over the field. Him having documented back issues is a red flag on that front, and back issues, as we've seen so many times, are seemingly the number one injury that affects golfers' longevity.
Look, I don't have anything against DJ, but people really need to pump the breaks with putting him in that top5/top10 group of all-time or even saying "he's on pace" to get there. He'd need to have some 6-7 win seasons to be on pace with those guys. If he was still in his late 20s, I'd be listening. He is just so far behind right now with not a lot of years left to catch up.
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 11:40 am
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:32 am to dukke v
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Fact..... I know he so called earned it, BUT........... I hate that scoring system......
Agreed 100%
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:34 am to chalmetteowl
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so he’s gonna be top two of everyone not named Tiger, Jack, or Arnold...
You’re overrating Arnold Palmer here.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:35 am to lsufball19
quote:I hate hate hate being so simple as to use only majors to rank golfers. We are humans, we have to be able to use all data
It's theoretically possible, but even if he did all those things, he's not a top 5 golfer of all-time. You'd still have Tiger, Jack, Arnie, Snead, Faldo, Hagen, Player, Watson, Bobby Jones, Sarazan, Trevino, Vardon that have at least 7 majors. Then you have guys like Phil, Byron Nelson, Ballesteros, Faldo, etc that have 5 or more majors. Then there's Ernie Els and Rory who have 4, among others.
quote:DJ has won a tournament in 12 straight seasons
Btw, this isn't the first time a golfer with a nice run has gotten these types of projections. This has happened, just in the past 5 years or so with Rory, Speith, Koepka, etc.
Only Tiger and Jack have done that to start their career
He has had 64 consecutive weeks at number 1, 5th most all time, and he has done it in by far the most competitive era of golf
This post was edited on 9/9/20 at 11:37 am
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:37 am to WildcatMike
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IMHO...
Phil is in the category of Sarazen, Faldo, Seve, and Trevino...outside the top 10.
DJ is on track to join that group of golfers.
He has to win more majors first. Yes, he’s on Phil’s pace, but that doesn’t guarantee he’ll win more majors. I think he gets a couple more, but it’s not a lock at all.
Posted on 9/9/20 at 11:38 am to Dawgsontop34
quote:Nothing is a lock
I think he gets a couple more, but it’s not a lock at all.
But if he get 3+ majors and 40+ wins, he is absolutely in my top 10 all time considering the era he has done it in
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