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re: Matt Stafford Agrees to 5 year contract with Lions
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:49 am to brgfather129
Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:49 am to brgfather129
quote:Thanks
No, I said I don't care about your label. I care about the level he was playing at last year.
Read better to post better.
Wanna keep talking about stuff you don't care about?
Let me know, i'll be around.
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 11:54 am to OxyCodine
Aaron Rodgers will become the first $30 million per year player.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:15 pm to shel311
quote:
The upside is keeping your job as opposed to getting fired for letting go of a productive QB in favor of another that in all likelihood won't be as productive.
quote:
Coaches, executives, folks everywhere in all walks of life make decisions to "keep their job" that isn't always the best decision for the company/organization.
Don't disagree with that, but this is an easy decision.
You're in favor of a strategy in which the odds of winning going forward are lower than they would be if you held onto Stafford. How is that better for the organization?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:22 pm to shel311
quote:you're better than this.
8 years, no playoff wins.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:34 pm to castorinho
Interesting thing is, we get to see both sides of this play out. Redskins don't want to pay top dollar for their competent QB. Lions do.
Let's see what happens with these two franchises.
Let's see what happens with these two franchises.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:36 pm to OxyCodine
Progression of big qb deals for questionable talent/production:
Romo
Cutler
Kaepernick
Wilson
Tannehill
Cousins LOL
Carr
Cousins again . . .
Stafford
Cousins yet again because the Redskins completely shite the bed with him.
Excluded from the list are the top guys who are beyond proven, Andrew Luck who has pretty immense talent, and Matt Ryan who somehow won a league MVP.
Romo
Cutler
Kaepernick
Wilson
Tannehill
Cousins LOL
Carr
Cousins again . . .
Stafford
Cousins yet again because the Redskins completely shite the bed with him.
Excluded from the list are the top guys who are beyond proven, Andrew Luck who has pretty immense talent, and Matt Ryan who somehow won a league MVP.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 12:38 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:36 pm to castorinho
quote:Don't give me too much credit!
you're better than this.
But seriously, I'm usually the first to chirp on team success vs individual success. But there are exceptions IMO. Like the player who puts up great stats on a shitty NBA team. You can't be a top 5 player and consistently be on a bad team, at some point your team has to be good.
Unless there's a bunch of examples to show a bunch of top notch QBs not having a playoff win before 30, I'll hold true to that one as well.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:38 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Agreed. Who will bump this one in 5-10 years?
Interesting thing is, we get to see both sides of this play out. Redskins don't want to pay top dollar for their competent QB. Lions do.
Let's see what happens with these two franchises.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:41 pm to shel311
quote:He's been on good teams and played well in the playoffs. I think it's too early to pull the plug,
But seriously, I'm usually the first to chirp on team success vs individual success. But there are exceptions IMO. Like the player who puts up great stats on a shitty NBA team. You can't be a top 5 player and consistently be on a bad team, at some point your team has to be good.
especially considering the consequences of doign so.
quote:Drew Brees had one win before 30. Matt Ryan had one. Those are the only two that are jumping to mind.
Unless there's a bunch of examples to show a bunch of top notch QBs not having a playoff win before 30, I'll hold true to that one as well.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:45 pm to shel311
quote:
But seriously, I'm usually the first to chirp on team success vs individual success. But there are exceptions IMO. Like the player who puts up great stats on a shitty NBA team. You can't be a top 5 player and consistently be on a bad team, at some point your team has to be good.
At what point do you put part of the onus of the team for not being able to surround the guy with a defense, or a running back? What's the team's culpability in Detroit's lack of success?
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:48 pm to Goldrush25
They finally got a defense in 2014, but lost in the WC round to the Cowboys. It's been a while so I don't remember how that game played out.
Lack of a running attack has always been a problem, though.
Lack of a running attack has always been a problem, though.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 12:49 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:56 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:
frick you.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 12:58 pm to shel311
quote:this =/= success as a QB.
Like the player who puts up great stats on a shitty NBA team. You can't be a top 5 player and consistently be on a bad team, at some point your team has to be good.
Basketball you are one of 5 players on the court and, techinically, no one else has to touch the ball. With a QB there is a whole half of the game you do not have a part in in defense.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:01 pm to Goldrush25
quote:Oh, the team can certainly share some blame, no doubt. Much like with my NBA example, other than a very rare outlier, you just don't see it, so why are we seeing it with Stafford?
At what point do you put part of the onus of the team for not being able to surround the guy with a defense, or a running back? What's the team's culpability in Detroit's lack of success?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:04 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Their defense certainly hasn't been great, but both the offense and the defense have finished in the top half of the league in points scored 3 times each since Stafford became QB.
They finally got a defense in 2014, but lost in the WC round to the Cowboys. It's been a while so I don't remember how that game played out.
They've also basically been about the 20th ranked offense in points and yards in eac of the last 3 seasons.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:07 pm to shel311
Offense is being held back by their lack of running game. Check it out for the years Stafford has been there. The outlier is 17th. The rest are around 23, with the most recent years being in the 30s.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:09 pm to shel311
quote:
Oh, the team can certainly share some blame, no doubt. Much like with my NBA example, other than a very rare outlier, you just don't see it, so why are we seeing it with Stafford?
The NBA is just a bad example. One great player in the NBA has so much of a greater influence on the outcome. The great ones in the NBA are two way players.
Stafford can't run the ball for the RBs. He can't catch the ball for the WRs. He can't block for the OL. He can't play defense. He can only do his job, which he does at a level higher than pretty much everyone else on his team.
So if most around him are substandard and they've had years to get it together, how does this boil down to pointing the finger at him and saying he's not worth the money? Surely there's a lot of dead weight that needs to hit the road before he does.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 1:11 pm to StrongBackWeakMind
quote:Don't elite QBs usually overcome that and still have their offenses ranked in the top half of the league? Especially when we're talking about passing offenses.
Offense is being held back by their lack of running game
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