re: Mahomes is the GOAT

quote:

---

120 is considered surefire PB, All-Pro territory. 130 is considered All-Pro, MVP level, great tier throughout history

---

So you'd agree based on your original post specific to "elite" play that 130 is better than 120, right?

120 is Pro Bowl caliber, but we know with certainly that just being a Pro Bowler does not make you elite.

You said 130 is considered All-Pro, MVP level...THAT is elite.

So using 130 or higher as the barometer:


Brady - 3 times in his 21 full seasons played, or 14.3% of the time
Peyton - 2 times in his 17 full seasons played, or 11.8% of the time

quote:

---

You’re being obtuse and not understanding what’s in front of you.

---

In fairness, that's actually what you're doing, and I'm just trying to point that out.

130+ - Advantage Brady

120+ - Advantage Peyton

110+ - Advantage Neither


It seems instead of using evidence to create your opinion, you have your opinion set and only want to use evidence that supports it. I say this because look at the 3 data points above. You've completely ignored the 2 that do not favor Manning and only focus on the one that favors Peyton. By your own standards, 130 is the best one to use to determine who is elite, which is the standard you posted about re: Brady and whether he is elite.

quote:

---

Over the last 30 years, the average number of QBs who hit a 120 in the QB Rating Index is 4. So yeah if you are hitting a number that average of only 4 guys are hitting in a given season, then yeah you will be considered elite for that season.

Is that too hard to understand or??

---

No, but what is is why you're fixated ONLY on the number that favors your argument but are completely ignoring the similar, and actually even better numbers per your own posts that do not favor your argument.

quote:

---

Ahh so you want to crawfish now so let’s crawfish:

---

I don't think that word means what you think it means. I never crawfished. We're talking about your opinion on Brady being elite, so in a literal sense, there is no take I had that need to crawfish on lol.

quote:

---

One of Brady’s 3 130 seasons was exactly 130. Manning had a 129 season as well. Manning also is only one of the two to have a season over 150.

---

Notice how you're only picking apart the data that does not fit your narrative....

quote:

---

Brady also had 5 seasons under 110

---

So before only 120 or above matters, 110 or 130 didn't matter, but now below 110 matters?



If we're being honest, you've completely proved my point here. You've used this rating+ in every possible way that favors your guy, and completely ignored and are trying to tell me the data points where rating+ does NOT support your opinion are the ONLY ones that are somehow irrelevant.


The actual truth is rating+ did not help your argument like you thought it would because the data is all over the place and can be manipulated in many ways to favor either player.

quote:

---

No you’re crawfishing because that’s what you do.

---

Again, we're debating your take, not mine. There's literally and factually nothing for me to crawfish from, it's not my take. It's yours.

You brought up Ratings+

You said 130+ is the All Pro, actually elite standard.


That number favors Brady


If you don't have a retort for that, then you're clearly not arguing in good faith.

So far, you've just ignored that

quote:

---

Manning is clearly the better player than Brady. There is no individual statistic that points to Brady being better.

---

Except for the ones above that you laid out the parameters for then ignored when it didn't favor the guy you wanted it to favor



Again, you defined 120 and 130 and 130 is the true definition of elite based on your own definitions. So if you're being objective at all, you'd agree that using 130 is better than using 120.

quote:

---

If you sub in P. Manning, Brady, Rodgers, Brees, or Mahomes on a team they are all going to get just as much out of them.

---

Pretty much.

I'd probably push back on Mahomes giving you more, but ultimately all these dudes(other than Mahomes IMO) are sooooooo close by most available metrics.

Those are probably your only true recent performing HOF QBs outside of including the dynamic runners like Newton and Jackson for the rushing game.

How did all the top teams miss on mahomes in college?

Seems like Texas or Aggies or Oklahoma would have been in on him

I don’t remember his recruiting process or which teams were finalists