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re: Magically the PGA found extra money!!!
Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:22 pm to the LSUSaint
Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:22 pm to the LSUSaint
It’s crazy how many non golf fans are trying to ruin the sport
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Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:46 pm to BBONDS25
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Because he has handled this entire thing very poorly. From beginning to end. It’s embarrassing to watch. Even more embarrassing to watch people who clearly were ignorant to the facts blindly back him.
how so? how whould you have handled fighting for your tour against a company that doesn't care about profit? money is no object for the Saudis. Maybe if they try to do the same to the NFL you would understand...but probably not
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Which they have now and the purses are much smaller. I appreciate you making my point for me.
this will be in addition to the current tv contract dumbass
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Monohan invoked 9/11. Yeah, let’s pretend he isnt melting.
what he did was legal and the players know it
Posted on 6/22/22 at 12:53 pm to Topwater Trout
All of this nonsense is moot because DP World Tour bylaws prevent players from being suspended for playing in a rival tour events. Every PGA member suspended by Monahan can apply for DP Tour membership and still attain world ranking points and qualifications for Majors. DJ and others have already applied, the Europeans would be stupid not to except those requests purely for financial reasons.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:00 pm to the LSUSaint
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smaller fields
well you answered where they found it
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:01 pm to Topwater Trout
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for new tournaments which means new tv contracts and tickets...and if they do what to spend a little more who cares.
The players obviously care. They knew LIV was coming well over 2 years ago. The PGA sat on the new TV contract and nothing much changed financially for the players until today. TODAY!
The PGA is in a unique business dilemma to compete with LIV under the best of conditions because of the PGA's financial status with the government.
Even with a potential raise as far as prize money is concerned, top players might have to add to their schedules to build up regular-season wealth. Part of the reason for this is that the PGA Tour is a 501c(6) organization, which means it is tax-exempt and thus must get creative with how it pays its constituents (i.e. creating more events for players to play instead of guaranteeing contracts).
Somehow, as reported, Jay Monahan is suddenly finding new and creative ways to get more money to their players with all their new TAX EXEMPTED TV revenue. Imagine that?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:14 pm to bamameister
I blasted Monohan for not getting in front of the camera and staying silent when all this shite went down.
His two appearances in front of the camera have made me change my mind, guy can't do anything but make it worse. Totally over matched for this job.
His two appearances in front of the camera have made me change my mind, guy can't do anything but make it worse. Totally over matched for this job.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:17 pm to OchoDedos
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the Europeans would be stupid not to except those requests purely for financial reasons.
they will back the PGA
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:20 pm to bamameister
The PGA can't compete against LIV. How do yall not understand this? LIV isn't trying to make a profit. So if the PGA said go play LIV there will be tournaments that suffer b/c the field will lack big names and go for the money that is available...eventually causing tournaments to be cancelled on the tour.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:22 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
Press conference was very weak sauce. Monahan looked completely overwhelmed with a ponzi scheme to counter LIV. Let's play with the books, tournament structure, and rob Peter to pay Paul. I don't see how Monahan survives this.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:26 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I blasted Monohan for not getting in front of the camera and staying silent when all this shite went down.
His two appearances in front of the camera have made me change my mind, guy can't do anything but make it worse. Totally over matched for this job.
It does feel like he's over his head as far as public strategy is concerned. Makes you wonder if the guy actually has people around him to give better advice. And public opinion is what he's quickly losing.
The PGA NEVER had the moral high ground here with their involvement with Saudi so evident, so for Monahan to go at the LIV golf based on virtue, like it was the only arrow in his quiver, was a stupid way to fight fire with fire. He must have panicked.
Basically, what he's doing now by making the PGA tour a better place to be was always the ONLY answer. Finally, he's getting off that wallet.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:27 pm to Topwater Trout
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The PGA can't compete against LIV. How do yall not understand this? LIV isn't trying to make a profit.
My personal opinion, which I of course have no way to prove, is if the Tour gets out in front of this thing and works with the players LIV never is successful enough to get off the ground. Phil isn't well liked by the players and having to do the media circus about the Saudis sucks from the players perspective.
The tour waited until big players defected and LIV had a ton of momentum to even begin to think about acting, and for that heads should roll.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:29 pm to bamameister
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The PGA NEVER had the moral high ground here with their involvement with Saudi so evident, so for Monahan to go at the LIV golf based on virtue, like it was the only arrow in his quiver, was a stupid way to fight fire with fire. He must have panicked.
Using 9/11 and questioning Brysons Christianity just creates so much fatigue and eye rolling that when they bring legitimate substance to the table no one wants to listen.
Classic cry wolf example
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:37 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I think LIV would have thrown obscene money at the players anyway and the PGA can't compete...they don't have the resources. Only chance was public feedback/ridicule to get players to stay.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:40 pm to Topwater Trout
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how so? how whould you have handled fighting for your tour against a company that doesn't care about profit?
By being transparent with the books and finding ways to get the players more money. I’ve been pretty clear about that.
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Maybe if they try to do the same to the NFL you would understand...but probably not
Why would I care about that? I watch golf more than I watch football.
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this will be in addition to the current tv contract dumbass
Nobody argued otherwise. This isnt difficult. I don’t understand why you can’t keep up. quote:
What he did was legal
How is this a response to Monohan invoking 9-11? Are you drunk?
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 1:47 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:45 pm to Topwater Trout
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Only chance was public feedback/ridicule to get players to stay.
How’s that strategy working out for you?
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:47 pm to BBONDS25
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Be being transparent with the books and finding ways to get the players more money. I’ve been pretty clear about that.
you are a dumb frick...must be a liberal one also...anyone who thinks they are entitled to that information is a clown
Posted on 6/22/22 at 1:54 pm to Topwater Trout
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you are a dumb frick...must be a liberal one also...anyone who thinks they are entitled to that information is a clown
I never said anyone was entitled.to that info. In fact I’ve stated the contrary several times. Your lack of reading comprehension is hurting you in this thread. You asked me what I would have done differently than Monohan. Being transparent and giving more money was my answer. It amazes me you couldn’t grasp the points of that relatively short and straight forward conversation. I am one of the more conservative posters on this board.
I’m not brilliant, but our exchanges have shown your ability to keep up is severely lacking. Perhaps you shouldn’t be calling anyone a dumb-frick.
This post was edited on 6/22/22 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:38 pm to the LSUSaint
maybe they'll get more funding from saudi scum
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:43 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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I blasted Monohan for not getting in front of the camera and staying silent when all this shite went down.
His two appearances in front of the cam
Stunning that he handled COVID probably better than any sports leader out there -- and completely botched this one.
Posted on 6/22/22 at 2:51 pm to Topwater Trout
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The PGA can't compete against LIV.
Not with this current business model. Monahan was asked today if the PGA be willing to give up its 501c status to maximize its revenue for the players? The NFL and MLB gave up their tax-exempted status in order to maximize their revenue. He basically said not at this time.
Monahan was asked in his presser today, "do you think the PGA players are underpaid"? He stared into the horizon for a number of seconds, obviously trying to find the most politically correct expressions he can muster up for his one. Monahan said, "you can't answer that question based on the past model." Say what? Personally, that's all Monahan can do.
This is why players are leaving. So he goes back to his old standby, that players should be loyal to the PGA model because they offer all the history and pageantry of great championship golf. Then tells the reporters that's a better question for the players to answer. OK, let's ask Brooks Koepka, Jay.
True to his nature, enough deflecting in this presser to create their own force field.
He was asked why this new money wasn't offered earlier? Basically saying it was always on the agenda and it is just the right thing for the business right now. Following up, Jay was asked isn't this a direct reaction to LIV? "No, we were going to do this anyway, this is just an acceleration of that." Wow, good there wasn't a thunderstorm nearby or someone could have gotten struck.
Another good one: Did you underestimate the LIV tour? Jay said NO! Again, a better question than an answer.
Another interesting question: Can you see a scenario where you work with LIV golf? Jay says that's a hypothetical. We are working on growing our game. Hey Jay, that sounds like a big fat no.
He thanked everyone at the presser stating he needed to get back to his sunbathing.
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