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re: Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**

Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:22 pm to
Posted by GhostofJackson
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Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:22 pm to
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Henry and Henderson had a chance to do their duty and come up with a reasonable solution satisfactory to most of the membership.


What would be your strategy then? And one which would hold up in court should a school sue you. You can't say they have to play a certain division. You would lose very easily.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:27 pm to
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What would be your strategy then? And one which would hold up in court should a school sue you. You can't say they have to play a certain division. You would lose very easily.


That's what they allegedly get paid for, I don't. At minimum I would develop strict recruiting standards on all schools, public and private, and enforce them. A lot of schools wouldn't like it, but they'd like it a lot better than what happened last week.

ETA: And if nothing worked, I'd go with the public/private split. The publics will get along a lot better without the privates than the private supporters think.
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 12:29 pm
Posted by fatboydave
Fat boy land
Member since Aug 2004
17979 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:27 pm to
I went to private school and was recruited. The coach came to me in the 8th grade and offered me an Atari game system. I should have held out for a bicycle

This split will end all of the recruiting
Posted by CourseyCorridor
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since May 2012
1996 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:30 pm to
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So, at most, 30% in the state are private students. The majority got tired of being dictated to by the minority and did something about it. Perhaps it was ill-considered and there was a better way to go about it, but the blame falls squarely on the obstinacy of the privates, on LHSAA leadership, and especially its last two executive directors, Henderson and his predecessor Henry.


That's like a teenager who makes a bad decision -- say, gets caught shoplifting -- then blames it on parents who don't care and the siblings who picked on him.

Certainly, the environment was there to foster self-destructive behavior. But at the end of the day, the kid who shoplifts should be held accountable and the schools that voted to cut off their own nose to spite their face are equally accountable.

This is going to have negative consequences for the very schools that voted for it and they'll have nobody to blame but themselves.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:34 pm to
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This is going to have negative consequences for the very schools that voted for it and they'll have nobody to blame but themselves.


I think the privates give themselves too much credit about how important they are, and what kind of negative effects this will have on the publics. We'll see.
Posted by CyrustheVirus
Member since Jan 2013
2909 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:41 pm to
I can't wait until next year when the 2 high school football tv networks (coxsports and cox 4) have to choose between what playoff games to cover. They will obviously choose the competitive division because they bring more advertising. Then the non-competitive publics again will complain because they didn't get any tv coverage.

I guarantee something like this happens. There will be many more complaints about fairness. I believe they think this is going to make things ultimately fair, but they don't realize, yet, what else they have to complain about.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 12:46 pm to
We'll see. I think the privates overestimate the size of the dick they think they're swinging. Most of the state isn't BR and NO and doesn't care about them.
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
11217 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:01 pm to
The Privates are acting like a dissed boyfriend that can't take no for an answer. the girl doesn't want anything to do with you, and you just can't accept it.
but yet as soon as she'd let you back in, you'd be dictacting the same BS that she was sick of in the first place.
just move on.....
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 1:02 pm
Posted by CourseyCorridor
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since May 2012
1996 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:03 pm to
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What would be your strategy then? And one which would hold up in court should a school sue you. You can't say they have to play a certain division. You would lose very easily.


My solution:

1. Go back to allow teams to play up
2. Define privates two ways: By population access within a 30 mile radius of the school and by whether they give financial aid to ANY athlete.

a. Come up with a forumla that is added to the private school enrollment: The greater the population access within 30 miles of campus, the more that is added to the enrollment. So Curtis, with about 750k people within 30 minutes of campus, would see its LHSAA enrollent jump to, say, 4A. There would be a similar effect for Evangel.
b. If a private school gives financial aid, that would automatically give it a bump of at least one class. So Curtis would, say, be bumped up two classes by the population access factor, then to 5A because it gives financial aid. Same with Evangel, Many other metro privates would get caught in this.

A school like Dunham would bump up based on population access, but may be limited to 3A because it probably would cease to give financial aid even if it does give it now.

This combination of rules would get all of the metro-area private schools out of the lowest classes, where the one-school, rural towns have a hard time competing. The only private schools left in the smallest classes are ones that don't have access to large populations (your Notre Damee, Opelousas Catholic, St. Ed, etc.) and can demonstrate they don't give financial aid.

If you're Winnfield and you can't beat Opelousas Catholic if OC can prove it doesn't give financial aid, then shame on you Winnfield.

3. Come up with a similar formula for select public schools that draw certain percentages of students from outside of the school zone, similar to the forumla used now. Bump Karr to 5A if half the students come from the other side of the Crescent City Connection, basically.

4. Once you determine what classes the privates and select publics fall, then re-divide the classes (with the privates and select publics locked into their assigned classes). In other words, let's say Zachary has 1,100 students and is the smallest 5A when you rank all the schools strictly by enrollment. Then you start adjusting private schools and select publics and lock them in and then recount it based on everybody else's enrollment. Now, Zachary probably drops to 4A. This keeps the classes even.

5. Increase dues and use the money to increase the investigative branch of the LHSAA to make sure privates aren't lying about their financial aid, select schools aren't fudging their out-of-district numbers, etc.

There you go. Relatively simple solution that is MUCH better than the bullshyte they just passed.




Posted by Mr LSU2001
lafayette
Member since Aug 2009
465 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:05 pm to
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Jim Rockford
Louisiana High School Football will split Public/Private. **Edited with Yes/No**
We'll see. I think the privates overestimate the size of the dick they think they're swinging. Most of the state isn't BR and NO and doesn't care about them.




Right because the other two largest cities don't have any good private school programs.

Evangel, and Calvery baptist of Shreveport say hello!
And STM , teurlings and notre dame and several others in the Lafayette area say hello!
Posted by CourseyCorridor
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since May 2012
1996 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:07 pm to
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We'll see. I think the privates overestimate the size of the dick they think they're swinging. Most of the state isn't BR and NO and doesn't care about them.


Well, reality is half the state is a stretch from greater New Orleans to Baton Rouge, when it comes to population

That's a reality check the rest of the state has to deal with. North Louisiana may cover a lot more ground, but ain't nobody living up there in them there woods.

Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
105316 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:09 pm to
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Right because the other two largest cities don't have any good private school programs. Evangel, and Calvery baptist of Shreveport say hello! And STM , teurlings and notre dame and several others in the Lafayette area say hello!


But most of the butthurt is coming from BR and NO

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Coursey Corridor


Interesting plan. Too bad nobody was willing to hash something like this out beforehand.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
54843 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:15 pm to
most of the state hasn't won 25 state titles or regularly draws 8,000+ to their district games...

we might as well let polls decide the state champion now. they'll be playing for a mythical state championship
Posted by Interception
Member since Nov 2008
11089 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:21 pm to
If you were a public school head coach/ principal in NO you might be a little pissed by the straight up theft of your kids. NO might have the best case on the public school side. Fellows, it's just time they split.

The most interesting question is would the privates allow JC into a new association. That's a fascinating question. A little hypocritical of the catholic league school though, no?
This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 1:22 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
54843 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:26 pm to
public schools don't own the kids anyway...

i do wonder what public school(s) will get raided the most...

hopefully it's West Jeff...
Posted by Interception
Member since Nov 2008
11089 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:31 pm to
Here is the question.

Is this going to decrease or increase the recruiting of kids in Louisiana?

This post was edited on 1/27/13 at 1:34 pm
Posted by 5Alive
With Your Moms
Member since Jul 2009
7877 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:40 pm to
Increase! I'm scouting right now!
Posted by RGJ18
Collierville, TN
Member since Feb 2010
9370 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 1:42 pm to
This is some bullshite.
Posted by League Champs
Bayou Self
Member since Oct 2012
10340 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:09 pm to
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Here is the question.

Is this going to decrease or increase the recruiting of kids in Louisiana?

Thats what they already know, and are so afraid of. Other states have proven that when you reduce the prestige of being accepted into the playoffs, the kids stay away. Thats the reason the NCAA includes bowl bans as punishment, along with limted scholarships. It hurts recruiting. This is from 9 years ago, after Evangel had to forfeit 3 games for playing out of zone students
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Adds coach Billy Don McHalffey of Bossier High: "It's the same old thing in Louisiana to me, and I've been coaching 27 years now. It's public versus private. Whether they recruit or not, they can go outside their school district and get players. We can't."

quote:

A few years ago, Huntington had a promising freshman wide receiver named Tristen Ross. He transferred to Evangel, sat out his sophomore season in accordance with state rules and became an Evangel star.

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"I'm out in the gym, and one of my assistant coaches says, 'Coach ... Cisco and Robert are withdrawing from school right now.' And I mean my jaw just dropped," says Morvan.

They transferred to Evangel Christian Academy in Shreveport, about 35 miles north of Logansport. Perkins was declared ineligible as a senior by the Louisiana High School Athletic Association (LHSAA), which ruled his mother had moved into the Evangel attendance zone to create athletic eligibility there for her son. Davis was ruled eligible, and he had 18 touchdown catches for Evangel as a senior.

Evangel wouldnt be Evangel, if this hadnt been going on for decades. It will now stop. Nothing to entice these kids with.
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
Member since Jan 2008
54843 posts
Posted on 1/27/13 at 2:28 pm to
you also have to think how many kids got scholarships that wouldn't have got them had they gone to a public school...
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