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re: Lets get some perspective on Saban’s run
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:45 am to Ross
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:45 am to Ross
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you won't convince me that if the teams were Oregon State and Missouri in 2004 that went undefeated in place of USC and Oklahoma that Auburn wouldn't have gotten into the national title.
Don’t look now, Patton will accuse you of fostering a conspiracy
The problem for Auburn was USC and OU started 1-2 and didn’t lose. This is in large part because they were top 5 teams in 2003 and Auburn was what 7-5?
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Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:48 am to H-Town Tiger
you got it
throw in that USC beat Auburn 23-0 in Auburn in 2003 and beat them in a close game in USC in 2002, which probably had some degree of an impact as well.
I'm a fan of the abolition of preseason rankings as a direct result of 2004. Prior seasons will still likely impact whatever the first poll that does come out looks like, but any measures we can take to remove prior seasons performances from the equation is optimal for a fair system.
throw in that USC beat Auburn 23-0 in Auburn in 2003 and beat them in a close game in USC in 2002, which probably had some degree of an impact as well.
I'm a fan of the abolition of preseason rankings as a direct result of 2004. Prior seasons will still likely impact whatever the first poll that does come out looks like, but any measures we can take to remove prior seasons performances from the equation is optimal for a fair system.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:50 am to H-Town Tiger
You
Selected by who? If the champion is selected before a game is ever played wouldn’t that count as a conspiracy?
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it’s a sport where the champion or the match up at least is selected
Selected by who? If the champion is selected before a game is ever played wouldn’t that count as a conspiracy?
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:51 am to Ross
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Anyone want to put bets on when this dude retires? Tomorrow would be nice.
It would be such a fricking relief.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:53 am to Patton
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Hmm that sounds exactly like a conspiracy.
It’s not, it’s just a narrative you’re making up.
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A post ago you said the champions were hand picked by people you haven’t even indentified
That’s not exactly what i said but do you not know how CFB works? In 2011 we had the BCS. The top 2 teams in the BCS formula played for the championship. The formula was 2/3 polls ie people (coaches and a group of sports writers broadcasters ex coaches and administrators) rankings ie selecting teams. Now 4 teams are hand picked by the CFB committee. Not mysterious but a selection none the less
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:54 am to dukke v
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So you are saying Ohio st should have gotten in over Bama even with two losses??????
My position has been the same since 2001. Teams that don’t win their conference should not get to play for the National Title
Posted on 1/9/18 at 8:58 am to H-Town Tiger
Ok fair enough.... at least you consistent....
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:02 am to Patton
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Hey Selected by who? If the champion is selected before a game is ever played wouldn’t that count as a conspiracy?
Are you really this obtuse or are just a dick? Prior to 1998 the National Champion was whoever was ranked #1 in the final AP and or coaches poll. In 1998 the 6 major conferences and bowls agree to the BCS . Where 2 teams were selected based on a complicated formula involving the traditional polls and some computer polls and at times other factors (top 20 wins, SOS). The Coaches poll agreed to vote the winner of that match up #1 though the AP did not.
Since 2014 we’ve had the CFB playoff were 4 teams are selected by a committee of various people most involved in CFB in some way. ADs, ex coaches broadcasters former players etc
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:03 am to TH03
127-20 at Alabama. Uuuuuuuuugggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhh
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:04 am to H-Town Tiger
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It’s also easier when you get 2nd chances others do not. I don’t think LSU would have gotten a rematch in 11 i don’t think Auburn gets on this year if your only loss was to them and I do see why they beat FSU when they got drilled by OU.
Your initial post that I responded to. You are insinuating Alabama got preferential treatment in order to rack up their recent titles. I asked why Alabama gets so much more preferential treatment over other brand names with high preseason rankings. Bringing up a situation where a team who controlled their own destiny lost as a massive favorite doesn’t do anything to prove your point. The entire narrative you are pushing is completely backed up with hypotheticals and what if’s.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:05 am to Patton
Wow I'd had forgotten what a crappy poster you are.....
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:09 am to dukke v
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Wow I'd had forgotten what a crappy poster you are.....
thanks Peej. Congrats on the pick em you old frick. Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:19 am to Patton
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2011 Alabama got into the title game because their only competition for the spot had lost to a 6-7 Iowa Sate team in November. If Okie State wins that game they are in. They had control over their own destiny. Okie State was 28 pt favorites for that game
That was the original point. Alabama has had things beyond their control break their way pretty much every time. Obviously they put themselves in the position to be there and take advantage of it. That’s the brilliance of a process focused system like Saban has.
Rather than accusing others of believing in conspiracies you could point that out or that they’ve earned high praise in the preseason due to their relentless consistency.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:22 am to H-Town Tiger
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Auburn went undefeated and didn’t get to even play for the title in 2004 but Alabama doesn’t win their division and does
Who do you leave out, the team that won the AP title the year before and hadn't lost since Cal the year before or the one who played for the BCS the year before?
Posted on 1/9/18 at 9:48 am to Ross
Saban has mastered recruiting and hiring assistants the way Belichik has mastered nfl salary caps, free agency and draft.
Hats off to the man. Just sucks that he could've done everything he did at Bama here if he'd have stayed. Plus at least one more.
Hats off to the man. Just sucks that he could've done everything he did at Bama here if he'd have stayed. Plus at least one more.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 10:04 am to shel311
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I don't want to, i'm taking my ball and going home!
CNS took your ball.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 10:06 am to Patton
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You are insinuating Alabama got preferential treatment in order to rack up their recent titles.
No that’s just what you want to think I’m saying. I’m they got preferential treatment in 2011 and this year. It’s no doubt because they’ve great but that gives them a benefit of the doubt not all teams get.
As far as 2011 OSU wins a blind resume test. They beat more ranked and better teams. Quality of loss is a standard i do not recall being used before or for any one else. Based on a blind resume test OK St would have won.
Posted on 1/9/18 at 10:11 am to TH03
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Kills me that he had the NFL itch while at LSU. This could be LSU right now.
If he's at LSU, you know he wouldn't leave for Bama, but would he of left for USC? Tejas?
I just don't think he'd move from one SEC school to another, i think he'd move to another school/conference in fertile recruiting area.
But he would of had a nice run at LSU
Posted on 1/9/18 at 10:12 am to TH03
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Who do you leave out, the team that won the AP title the year before and hadn't lost since Cal the year before or the one who played for the BCS the year before?
I really don’t know what that has to do with the price of tea in China.
We were talking about how breaks beyond their control have fallen Alabama’s way that’s a prime example of something beyond someone’s control not working out
Posted on 1/9/18 at 10:29 am to Ross
I'm jealous of Bama and I'm not afraid to say it, especially since we have Special Ed, Alleva, and F King running the pathetic shite show that is called LSU football.
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