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re: Let's do a vote. Death Penalty for Penn State?
Posted on 7/18/12 at 2:10 pm to Wtxtiger
Posted on 7/18/12 at 2:10 pm to Wtxtiger
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This is what I would do:
1) allow any player to transfer without sitting out
2) void all football wins during the Sandusky era from both psu and joe pa
3) remove the name or statue of everyone involved with the cover-up from the psu campus
4) ban psu from post season play for three years
5) everyone that can be proven to have known of the cover up be removed from any NCAA school
6) all money generated by psu football be give to charity for three years.
Psu failing to implement these punishments will result in the suspension of psu football for three years.
I agree with this. Anyone associated with this crap needs to be removed from any position relative to the NCAA. I would also say that the University needs to be forced to pay for an independent monitor that will observe and report all activities to the NCAA. The monitor shall not be restricted in access to anything.
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Posted on 7/18/12 at 2:23 pm to CajunFootball
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This many people would lose their job because PSU wouldn't be allowed to play football?
I believe someone earlier in the thread posted just a few of the people/organizations affected if you shut down PSU football.
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ETA: I'm not calling for the DP I'm just saying that if they hit PSU hard then I wouldn't be shocked nor would I feel bad for them.
I completely agree with this.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 2:35 pm to dcrews
SIAP
Posted on 7/18/12 at 2:43 pm to VABuckeye
That was posted about 4 posts before this one in this very thread.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 2:59 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
That's what I get for not wanting to read all the way through yet another Penn State thread on yet another forum.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 3:07 pm to VABuckeye
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That's what I get for not wanting to read all the way through yet another Penn State thread on yet another forum.
I hear you. I'm just about done commenting unless something new is reported. I'm sure once the decision on the statue is reached, there will be plenty to discuss again.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 3:47 pm to Mr. Tom Morrow
The whole thing needs to be put down, i.e., the statue, program, etc. The whole pedophile state problem is cultural. The only way to change it is to kill it. Allowing the program to continue represents one big arse rape all over again for the victims. I shouldn't be surprised that the folks at Ped State just don't seem to get it.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 3:49 pm to weptiger
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The whole thing needs to be put down, i.e., the statue, program, etc. The whole pedophile state problem is cultural. The only way to change it is to kill it. Allowing the program to continue represents one big arse rape all over again for the victims.
Slow down just a bit there. Suspend the program for a year (in essence, death penalty for a year), but then let them build back up.
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I shouldn't be surprised that the folks at Ped State just don't seem to get it.
The PSU fan you responded to is very level headed in his views from what I've read lately. Like I said, slow down.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:01 pm to weptiger
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The whole pedophile state problem is cultural
Is it though? I get what you're saying, but I don't completely agree.
The individuals and employees/employers that were responsible for creating that "culture" were part of it and I would agree with you if they were still there, that there was a culture of covering up ANYTHING to protect the program. However, since anyone who had anything to do with it is now gone, that "culture" techincally doesn't exist anymore.
Don't confuse heavy football history and passion for the PSU program for a "culture" that is ok with raping children.
This post was edited on 7/18/12 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:03 pm to LNCHBOX
Dang box, is your last name Mauti? Slow down? This thing has been slow played for 14 years...enough already. There is nothing to process here. A bunch of arse rape was done under the umbrellla of the PSU program. I don't give a rat's @ss about PSU, their "honor with integrity" load of crap, their football program or those that will be impacted if the program is shut Down. I'd be bummed if my kid was a player in the program currently, but unfortunately,,we are beyond the point of salvaging this program.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:06 pm to weptiger
I've been oneo f the most vocal in support of heavy sanctions, but you're taking it too far.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:12 pm to dcrews
Crews, does the absentee board of trustees not count as folks that are still around and supportive of the culture that created/contributed to this mess. If they had any integrity they would have already been out front falling on the sword for their role, admonishing JoePed, Spanier(sp), Curley, Schultz, etc. I am in the damage control business and there crisis response has been a joke. They just don't seem to truly "get" the outrage.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:15 pm to weptiger
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we are beyond the point of salvaging this program.
How so?
The "PSU Program" today is not the same PSU Program that was covering things up.
Is SMU the same program as it was after they got caught? Of course not.
You have to dish out harsh punishments to show everyone else that it's not ok to cover things up; that is the job of the NCAA. The punishment for the molestations and rape(s) have been doled out, with due process, by our court system. The NCAA is not responsible for disciplining schools for crimes like this.
This post was edited on 7/18/12 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:19 pm to weptiger
Oh, I'm not saying PSU is without fault and I'm certainly not defending what happened or what they did to cover it up. If it can be proven that any of the trustees had knowledge of what happened and knowlingly and willingly conspired to cover it up, then they need to be removed.
If I'm Penn State, I'm doing what I can to remove any and all people associated with this incident if there are any left, to show that they truly are NOT the culture that the Joe Pa era represented.
If I'm Penn State, I'm doing what I can to remove any and all people associated with this incident if there are any left, to show that they truly are NOT the culture that the Joe Pa era represented.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:24 pm to LNCHBOX
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The PSU fan you responded to is very level headed in his views from what I've read lately. Like I said, slow down.
Knee jerk comments like his don't ruffle my feathers anymore. Those people can't be reasoned with or even consider options beyond their own. I've appreciated the discussions in this thread that have been, for the most part civil. The people that are calling for the school to be closed (literally) are just beating their chests to garner an inappropriate response (not saying this guy above is acting like that).
I'm hoping to gain some closure soon, and hope the current administration does what's needed to move the school forward into a much better light.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:30 pm to dcrews
The board Is guilty of gross malfeasance in office. If they were a public company the d and o claims would be piling up. They don't necessarily have to be involved in a cover up. Rather their inability to effectively perform their duties served to facilitate this environment under which the cover up occurred. Failing to effectuate a wholesale change of trustees is akin to leaving the boards of Enron, AIG and others intact following their meltdowns.
Posted on 7/18/12 at 4:38 pm to weptiger
I will say that I do have sympathy for the average PSU'er who had nothing to do with this. You'd like to think that this couldn't happen at "your" school, but with college athletics today you never know what people will do in the need of greed or program reputation. This is an awful situation that can never be made "right.". I do know that the PSU administration just isn't moving fast enough to manage the message and convince the public that they get it and will address the recommendations made in the report. A self imposed sanction that is heavy would be a step in the right direction. Ultimately, what's more important the reputation of the school or the fact they the school maintains a football program. If I was an alumn or near term graduate I would vote for reputation.
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