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re: LeBron to his haters: You'll still have your same personal problems tomorrow

Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:20 pm to
Posted by JG77056
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:20 pm to
If he was better than Dirk he'd be sleeping with the trophy tonight.
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:22 pm to
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The reason LeBron is the third leading scorer as far as points per game is because the first 6 years of his career he was the best player on a bad team and the ball went through him every possession. It's easy to rack up points and assists when you touch the ball 70% of the time and players get fouls called on them because you yell and flail your arms around.


Every player in the league acts a little bit trying to draw fouls. You make it sound like LeBron is the only one in the league who does. Cleveland was a "bad" team? They won 50 games in 4 of LeBrons last 6 seasons there. Based on your theory, every primary ball handler for every team with a worse record should have outscored him....yet LeBron won a scoring title and 2 MVP awards in that time - go figure. Dwight Howard is the best player on his team and they run their offense through him. He goes to the line 3.5 times per game more than LeBron. Why is he only averaging 18.2 per game for his career taking higher percentage shots during the same years LeBron has played and for a team with a similar record?
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 1:52 pm
Posted by Philosoraptor
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:23 pm to
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he reason LeBron is the third leading scorer as far as points per game is because the first 6 years of his career he was the best player on a bad team and the ball went through him every possession. It's easy to rack up points and assists when you touch the ball 70% of the time and players get fouls called on them because you yell and flail your arms around.



Easy to play with a whole bunch of scrubs? And to win as much as they did when he was there?
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:24 pm to
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The reason LeBron is the third leading scorer as far as points per game is because the first 6 years of his career he was the best player on a bad team and the ball went through him every possession. It's easy to rack up points and assists when you touch the ball 70% of the time and players get fouls called on them because you yell and flail your arms around. He certainly wasn't scoring so much because of his accuracy shooting the ball, which is kind of important when you're content bombing 3s half the time.
How does that explain having one of the highest EFFICIENCY ratings of all time?

ETA: and as someone else pointed out, the Cavs being as competitive as they were with a bunch of scrubs is a testament to what he did there
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 1:26 pm
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:25 pm to
Yes...because we know that the finals are 1v1. I dislike LeBron, but Dirk is not as good as he is. That's a fact.
Posted by JG77056
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:27 pm to
They played in the east which was a joke until the Celtics formed a big 3, and even then there was 1 good team. They played 4 games a year against the Wizards and Bobcats and Pacers and Knicks and a bunch of other shitty teams. Check out their record against the Western conference.
Posted by CajunFootball
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Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:28 pm to
Don't the Heat play in the East?
Posted by Philosoraptor
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:29 pm to
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They played in the east which was a joke until the Celtics formed a big 3, and even then there was 1 good team. They played 4 games a year against the Wizards and Bobcats and Pacers and Knicks and a bunch of other shitty teams. Check out their record against the Western conference.


Ok, so whats your point? Is it his fault the East was shitty? And when he went to the finals, the Spurs were a team of destiny. No one could stop them.
Posted by JG77056
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:29 pm to
yes....and? The east now is different than the east when the Cavs made the finals.
Posted by JG77056
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:32 pm to
No it wasn't his fault the east was shitty, but it does explain them having more wins. Is that not obvious?
Posted by Philosoraptor
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:33 pm to
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No it wasn't his fault the east was shitty, but it does explain them having more wins. Is that not obvious?


Sure, it helped but it wasn't the deciding reason or only reason. There are only a handful of players that could've done what he did.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 1:36 pm
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:34 pm to
You sir make no sense.
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12073 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:37 pm to
What part of a shitty Eastern conference correlating to more wins doesn't make sense? I think you're the only person it doesn't make sense to.
Posted by bomber77
Member since Aug 2008
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:42 pm to
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Sure, it helped but it wasn't the deciding reason or only reason. There are only a handful of players that could've done what he did.


I was still a James fan at that time. (that fall at the Indians/Yankees playoff game ended that)

It was a terrible East that year but the win over Detroit was big. James played great. I think his game was much better then than it is now.
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:45 pm to
LeBron plays better when he is "the man"

He would have been better off on a team was he was the unquestioned leader but he just had more talent around him than he had in Cle

We will see if Spol or a new coach can talk him into playing more aggressive when they need him to in the future
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12073 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:46 pm to
I agree. For some reason he now thinks he's a good 3 point shooter
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
36601 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:48 pm to
He's an effective 3 point shooter when he's not in 3 point mode. He will never be a good 3 point shooter
Posted by WelcomeToDeathValley
1st & 1st
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:50 pm to

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shitty Eastern conference correlating to more wins


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Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:53 pm to
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If he was better than Dirk he'd be sleeping with the trophy tonight.


Great logic. The same logic that says Dilfer was better than Marino because of a ring.
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12073 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 2:01 pm to
No it's not at all. If LeBron could shoot and score like Dirk, his team would have had more points in this series and they would have won. To my knowledge Marino and Dilfer never played against each other in a Superbowl, but I could be wrong.

Any other brilliant sports cliches you wanna try to work in here?
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