Started By
Message

re: LeBron to his haters: You'll still have your same personal problems tomorrow

Posted on 6/13/11 at 12:46 pm to
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
10954 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

Just to be clear, I asked all the LeBron supporters what makes him so great, and your response is "Because a bunch of other people say he is"? A lot of political pundits and governors think Obama is a great president. Doesn't make it true.

Just like being awesome at jumping doesn't make you the best basketball player ever. Hell he's not even the best player on his own team.


Actually, that was not my response. The gist of my response was that that question could be better answered, not by LeBron supporters (like me) or LeBron haters (like you), but by people who know the game a helluva lot better than we do. If you think that the only thing LeBron can do is dunk and flail his arms drawing fouls, so be it. The name of the game as an offensive player is to score. LeBron is the 3rd leading scorer in points per game in NBA history. He is also 23rd in assists per game, averages more than 7 rebounds per game, Rookie of the Year, 2-time MVP and a 3-time all NBA defensive layer. What pundits THINK about a President is one thing and they are often based on a personal political bias. What Bill Maher thinks about Obama differs from say...Sean Hannity. But they are mostly biased opinions. Do you not think that what former NBA players who have nothing in common with LeBron James other than the fact that they played the same game deserves some credibility especially when their opinions can be substantiated with statistics?

At any rate, just like Presidents, LeBron will eventually be judged by history more than opinion.

By the way, how do you think LeBron's offensive repertoire compares to say,....Shaquille O'Neal?

This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 12:48 pm
Posted by Philosoraptor
Member since Oct 2010
4523 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 12:46 pm to
quote:

I have no problem with a player or team saying they plan to win a championship. The two aren't comparable


Exactly. What about some douche getting a tattoo of the trophy in the off season?

He got lucky and won it but seriously!?
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

What about some douche getting a tattoo of the trophy in the off season?


Oh, well then he's trash. Especially if he lives with his girlfriend before they get married.
Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6128 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 12:48 pm to
Stevenson's t-shirt he wore on the flight home.
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
36711 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 12:49 pm to
Stevenson is a much bigger bitch than everyone else in this series combined.

Not sure how anyone can like him
Posted by sgallo3
Lake Charles
Member since Sep 2008
27054 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 12:50 pm to
wtf is junglecents.com
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 12:59 pm to
quote:

The poster said, "reviled". And yes, if the majority of the country "reviles" someone whom they have never met and has caused absolutely no harm to anyone outside of Cleveland, then there are some serious problems.

I mean, Kobe got away with raping a chick. The majority of the country doesn't hate him for it, nor did they revile him after the fact.

So yeah, if "the majority of the country" can't think for themselves and "revile" a guy for reasons that aren't really justifiable, then we are in bad shape.


First of all, Americans have a long history of reviling certain sports figures. From the Raiders of old to the Broadstreet Bullies of the 1970's to the Detroit Badboys of the 80's to the Hurricanes of the 80's/90's to the most recent incarnation of the Heat, there are certain personalities and teams that have aroused the righteous rage of the American sporting public. LeBron is included in that set. He is indeed a strutting, narcissistic buffoon who has yet to actually win any championship. Only someone with a skewed sense of sports history or an emotional attachment to LeBron would would seriously argue that the public's contempt for him is symptomatic of the collapse of American society. Good lord. It's absurd.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 1:00 pm
Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:04 pm to
You are aware that words have actual meanings, right?

Osama bin Laden was reviled.

LeBron, for most Americans, is a "meh". He's not reviled, nor is he loved.

Even for most sports fans, you'll get something lukewarm such as, "He's a great player but I don't like The Decision". Again, not revulsion.

At best, poor choice of words on your part.

quote:

Only someone with a skewed sense of sports history or an emotional attachment to LeBron would would seriously argue that the public's contempt for him is symptomatic of the collapse of American society. Good lord. It's absurd.


My sense of sports history is probably more accurate than yours, to tell you the truth. Using a term such as "reviled" shows that YOU are the one with a skewed perspective.

And I have absolutely no personal attachment to James. In fact, I was pulling for the Mavericks to win.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 1:06 pm
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:06 pm to
quote:

LeBron, Wade, and Bosh didn't organize the celebration and charge admission to it.



quote:

It's been well chronicled that he was completely played the television program and interview.



I see a similarity in those two quotes from you. In both of them, LeBron is just an innocent naive soul who is just tricked into doing things that would inflate any ego he might have.

Or, we can use logic and think that after being told he's the next big thing since he was a teenager, he started to feel that he deserves the attention and credit that comes with being the "Chosen 1."

I remember reading right after The Decision that people were faulting his "camp" for lack of a better word for doing that enormous waste of time and LeBron's good image. And you know what, LeBron was 25-26 and I'm sure he could have put the kibosh on it easily by saying "No."

It's not like he's a child getting tricked into doing these things that promote his image. He's a grown man and every LeBron fan is doing him a disservice by coddling him and giving him excuses for anything people dislike.

No post game? He's still working on it after 8 years because he DECIDED to not go to college. The NBA isn't for development.

The Decision? He got played. They tricked him into sitting there for hours to do something people wouldn't like. I learned to not rub people faces' in unpopular decisions by the time I was 14 years old. Poor LeBron must not have gotten that chance since he was so busy.

All of these poor decisions should be ridiculed so that maybe LeBron realizes that he needs to do better. That just saying, "oh well I'll still be fine doing what I want to do" isn't enough if he wants to be the best he can be.

He could be the greatest of all time but that involves a good image and a great work ethic. Not that he works hard but you can't stand still and just rely on your athletic skills without working on your technical skills. But he doesn't seem to care; why? I can only assume he's been told he's so good for so long that he finally started to believe it and people just keep reinforcing it.
Posted by Roaad
White Privilege Broker
Member since Aug 2006
83903 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:08 pm to
Lebron shaking the haters.

King James!!!!!!!

Posted by Sophandros
Victoria Concordia Crescit
Member since Feb 2005
45219 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

bbrownso


Or we can REALLY use logic and see that BECAUSE he's been coddled and enabled since he was young, his ego has grown to such a level that he fails to see when he's getting played in events such as "The Decision".

When you put it all together, it makes a lot of sense. However, the media refuse to assume accountability for their role in all of this, which is why they are controlling the narrative in the current manner.
Posted by Philosoraptor
Member since Oct 2010
4523 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:11 pm to
quote:

A lot of political pundits and governors think Obama is a great president. Doesn't make it true.


speaking of...

Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12077 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:12 pm to
The reason LeBron is the third leading scorer as far as points per game is because the first 6 years of his career he was the best player on a bad team and the ball went through him every possession. It's easy to rack up points and assists when you touch the ball 70% of the time and players get fouls called on them because you yell and flail your arms around. He certainly wasn't scoring so much because of his accuracy shooting the ball, which is kind of important when you're content bombing 3s half the time.

The league needed him to come along so they could hype him to try and inject some life into a dying league, because he's exciting to watch with his dunks. But he's not the best player ever, and he's currently not better than Dirk, Kobe, Durant, Wade....probably a few others I'm leaving out.
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
36711 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:12 pm to
quote:

He could be the greatest of all time but that involves a good image and a great work ethic.
Not really a big deal

His not seeming to care is the biggest part

Guys like MJ and Kobe were a lot more well respected than there were well liked.
Posted by Louie T
Member since Dec 2006
36711 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:13 pm to
quote:

and he's currently not better than Dirk, Kobe, Durant, Wade....probably a few others I'm leaving out.
Sure...
Posted by Philosoraptor
Member since Oct 2010
4523 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

he's currently not better than Dirk, Kobe, Durant, Wade


Your hate is turning into ignorance.
Posted by bomber77
Member since Aug 2008
14783 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:18 pm to
I think a reasonable argument can be made that in this series he was outplayed by, Dirk, Terry, Wade, Bosh, and maybe even Marion and Chalmers.
Posted by The312
I Live in The Three One Two
Member since Aug 2008
6967 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:18 pm to
quote:

You are aware that words have actual meanings, right?

Osama bin Laden was reviled.

LeBron, for most Americans, is a "meh". He's not reviled, nor is he loved.

Even for most sports fans, you'll get something lukewarm such as, "He's a great player but I don't like The Decision". Again, not revulsion.

At best, poor choice of words on your part.


First of all, do you know what "revile" means? You seem to think it is a synonym of "loathe." It actually isn't. It means to disparage, to speak of contemptuously. And the public definitely does that with respect to LeBron. If you are going to make snide, hypertechnical posts about diction and word choice, you may want to look up the word first. See, words DO have actual meanings.

Second of all, unless you have recently conducted a statistically significant survey of American sports fans, I'm going to have to discount your assessment of what "most sports fans" would say in response to a hypothetical question about LeBron.

Finally- silly hypertechinical, pedantic, semantic distinctions aside - it is pretty clear that the public's disdain for LeBron does not signal the imminent collapse of our nation.
This post was edited on 6/13/11 at 1:20 pm
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:18 pm to
Better then Kobe...No

Better then Dirk...Yes

Better then Wade...No

Better then Durant...Not sure yet, probably Yes.
Posted by JG77056
Vegas baby, Vegas
Member since Sep 2010
12077 posts
Posted on 6/13/11 at 1:19 pm to
Your ignorance is continuing the be ignorance.
Jump to page
Page First 8 9 10 11 12 ... 14
Jump to page
first pageprev pagePage 10 of 14Next pagelast page

Back to top
logoFollow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News
Follow us on X, Facebook and Instagram to get the latest updates on LSU Football and Recruiting.

FacebookXInstagram