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re: LeBron still doesn't have that killer instinct like Jordan and Kobe
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:12 pm to Madking
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:12 pm to Madking
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On Monday, The Athletic released its 2024 poll, and suddenly, the two legends are neck and neck. Jordan finished at No. 1 with 45.9% of the vote. James finished No. 2 at 42.1%. Bryant was again a distant No. 3 at 9.8%
It's pretty damn close but Jordan is still the leader in GOATness.
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Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:19 pm to TackySweater
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LOS crowd is really taking last nights brick game winner rough lol
LBJ could have retired a few years ago and still be #2. He’s at the point in his career where anything else is just icing on the cake. Very similar to MJs wizards run. Him missing the playoffs with the Wizards doesn’t mean shite to me bc he was the GOAT whether he came back or not.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:25 pm to redfishfan
No I just held a mirror up to your flawed logic and double standards. You can continue to make vague and incorrect statements if you want to though.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 8:26 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:28 pm to Madking
What is flawed about using stats to evaluate players? I can see cherry picking stats and manipulating stats to make your argument. But none of that was done. Nobody said LBJ scored more points than MJ so LbJ is better.
What is the alternative to using stats to evaluate? Its by far the best way to compare players if you look at the whole picture and don’t cherry pick and manipulate.
Edited to add I haven’t made any vague statements. I’ve been very specific with my points bc I understand what I’m saying. As per usual you avoid any actual facts or evidence. Just spout of general arguments and word games and avoid specifics at all cost bc ultimately you don’t know very much.
What is the alternative to using stats to evaluate? Its by far the best way to compare players if you look at the whole picture and don’t cherry pick and manipulate.
Edited to add I haven’t made any vague statements. I’ve been very specific with my points bc I understand what I’m saying. As per usual you avoid any actual facts or evidence. Just spout of general arguments and word games and avoid specifics at all cost bc ultimately you don’t know very much.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:35 pm to redfishfan
What’s the point of the game, to win. Like I said you guys only make this argument for Lebron. You’ll never use these standards to compare other players. This narrative has been carefully constructed for years where only certain facts are allowed and only those that favor Lebron. I remember when he was stuck on 2 rings and you guys wouldn’t allow centers into the conversation because of some nonsensical reason. You’re used to being allowed to frame this argument to benefit your own bias but I won’t allow that because it’s total BS.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:37 pm to redfishfan
Pretty ironic since you’re about as ignorant as it gets when it comes to basketball.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:37 pm to redfishfan
Pure dominance is a good metric. Something like
10x scoring title
9x first team all defense
2 three peats while never seeing a game 7
10x scoring title
9x first team all defense
2 three peats while never seeing a game 7
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:39 pm to Madking
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What’s the point of the game, to win. Like I said you guys only make this argument for Lebron. You’ll never use these standards to compare other players. This narrative has been carefully constructed for years where only certain facts are allowed and only those that favor Lebron. I remember when he was stuck on 2 rings and you guys wouldn’t allow centers into the conversation because of some nonsensical reason. You’re used to being allowed to frame this argument to benefit your own bias but I won’t allow that because it’s total BS.
It’s how I evaluate every player. Winning matters and the facts are that LBJ has won a lot is one of the most talent rich eras of the NBA while dominating series like no player besides MJ. I never once said we can’t include centers in any conversation so I don’t know wtf that was about.
Any fact you want to bring up can be brought up. He had no killer instinct isn’t a fact though. So please give me one fact that asserts LBJ is below Kobe or not a top 5 player ever. You can’t bc there isn’t any. It’s all “he joined another team” or “not a killer”. Give me some facts not Bs.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:42 pm to Madking
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Pretty ironic since you’re about as ignorant as it gets when it comes to basketball.
Based on what? You cannot ask me one question about the game of basketball I can’t answer in under a minute X’s and O’s wise. Go ahead. Shoot. I’ll answer anything without having to google or anything. I’ll ask you. In the typical packline defense like ran by Tony Bennett. What are the rules on defending the post?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:44 pm to redfishfan
Right that’s your evaluation meaning your opinion. There are facts that dispute it such as titles, title series win%, title series performances etc.. like I said and you denied but now admit, your entire eval is stats yet they’re only surface level selected stats that slant in one way.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:47 pm to Madking
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There are facts that dispute it such as titles, title series win%
Give us the percentages. LBJ has won 4 titles. Pretty darn good in this era. What about his titles and winning points that he’s not one of the best to ever lace em up.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:50 pm to redfishfan
Longevity stats work both ways:
Lebron James holds the NBA record for most playoff losses in history at 102.
He has the most turnovers in history by a LARGE margin at 5,200.
By the end of his next game, Lebron James will hold the record for the most missed shots in history.
He has over 3,000 missed free throws.
He has over 4,500 missed three pointers.
He has over 12,000 flops.
Lebron James holds the NBA record for most playoff losses in history at 102.
He has the most turnovers in history by a LARGE margin at 5,200.
By the end of his next game, Lebron James will hold the record for the most missed shots in history.
He has over 3,000 missed free throws.
He has over 4,500 missed three pointers.
He has over 12,000 flops.
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:54 pm to theunknownknight
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Lebron James holds the NBA record for most playoff losses in history at 102.
That just means he went to the playoffs a lot and advanced a lot. Players that got further in the playoffs are going to have more loses. That’s why the top 10 list of players with most playoff losses are filled with great players.
Kobe
Shaq
Duncan
Stockton
Malone
Tony Parker
Edited to add you are way too smart of a poster to think that stat reflects negatively on LBJ
This post was edited on 4/23/24 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:56 pm to redfishfan
He’s 4-6 that’s 40% and he’s played in 2 eras not one. How about the league changing the rules to make it easier on him, first time that’s ever happened btw. What was the result, smarter, more skilled players blew past him winning the vast majority of the titles instead. Usually a player so dominant has rules implemented to help offset them, Wilt, MJ, Shaq for example. You also ignore the fact that he’s allowed to manipulate opponents rosters through his agency, the most corrupt thing I’ve ever seen in sports or that he’s used steroids for years to maintain his play.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:58 pm to redfishfan
The difference is players like Kobe played and beat the most 50 win teams in NBA history. Lebron was losing to teams he shouldn’t lose to.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 8:58 pm to theunknownknight
He’s never had a season below 3 turnovers per game and has had seasons over 4 per game. But “muh not one single stat is negative about Lebron hurr durr”
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:01 pm to Madking
For starters you avoided my basketball question which I knew you would do. You always avoid anything specific and X and O based bc you don’t know it
Wtf are you talking about here?
What rule was changed to offset MJ?
?????????? Jesus Christ you are hilarious.
Is it better to make it to the finals or lose on the first round? The finals record argument is dumb as hell and not even worth going over again but here we go. You would rather LbJ go 4-0 in finals and instead of making the finals 6 more times just lose in the first round. That makes him better? It’s dumb and makes no sense
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How about the league changing the rules to make it easier on him, first time that’s ever happened btw
Wtf are you talking about here?
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Usually a player so dominant has rules implemented to help offset them, Wilt, MJ, Shaq for example
What rule was changed to offset MJ?
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that he’s used steroids for years to maintain his play.
?????????? Jesus Christ you are hilarious.
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He’s 4-6 that’s 40%
Is it better to make it to the finals or lose on the first round? The finals record argument is dumb as hell and not even worth going over again but here we go. You would rather LbJ go 4-0 in finals and instead of making the finals 6 more times just lose in the first round. That makes him better? It’s dumb and makes no sense
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:02 pm to theunknownknight
How many allstars has he played with? 20-30, more? Compare that to other all-timers, he’s probably got most of em beat by 5-10x.
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:02 pm to theunknownknight
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Lebron was losing to teams he shouldn’t lose to.
Like?
Posted on 4/23/24 at 9:04 pm to redfishfan
Well you’ve just admitted you’re either ignorant or just dishonest. If you don’t know the answers to those things you’re pretending to question you have no business in this discussion. You told me to ask you a question then asked me one. And btw I e already taken your little google basketball quiz remember? I dunked on your silly question last time.
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