- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
re: Kobe Shoots 16/41 Tonight
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:18 am to Weebie
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:18 am to Weebie
quote:
If most NBA starters were given the green light to shoot the ball 20 times per game
Jordan shot 22.9/game
Lebron's career low is 18.2 attempts/game
Durant averages around 20
Kobe averages 19.6
Scorers shoot the ball 20x a game
I don't understand how anyone who has watched his game can think he is overrated
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 1:19 am
0
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:19 am to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
The Lakers are 8-2 when Kobe took less than 20 shots so far this season. They are 4-11 when he takes more than 20 (this is as of like 5 days ago).
So kudos for developing a stat to try and justify his shooting, but it isn't beneficial to the Lakers' record. Stupid fricking article that really accomplishes very little.
this.
most people have been so blinded by the media agenda with Kobe to see the truth. all that matters to the Kobe defenders is that he is getting his points, but they can't understand that he hurts his team by taking so many ridiculous shot attempts.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:20 am to Weebie
quote:
but they can't understand that he hurts his team by taking so many ridiculous shot attempts.
He has done this his whole carreer.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:20 am to Weebie
quote:
by taking so many ridiculous shot attempts.
if you keep saying the dumb shite over and over again it doesn't make it true.
He is shooting a high %, and he shoots around the same # of shots as the elite SG's. His team plays poor defense, so of course he is going to shoot more in games they lose.
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 1:21 am
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:23 am to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
The Lakers are 8-2 when Kobe took less than 20 shots so far this season. They are 4-11 when he takes more than 20 (this is as of like 5 days ago).
What are his teammates shooting in those games?
quote:
So kudos for developing a stat to try and justify his shooting, but it isn't beneficial to the Lakers' record. Stupid fricking article that really accomplishes very little.
Honestly, you go too far in trying to belittle Kobe. There is no doubt that he is overrated by a large percentage of the sporting world, but the article does have some valid points.
1. PER is too heavily relied on in a fluid sport. It is not the same, but imagine PER in soccer, that would be fricking dreadful. It is good, but overrated as a stat. All in one fail to paint the whole picture even if they get the gist of the argument right.
2. Who shoots what type of shot matters in terms of getting second chances. Kobe likely rates so highly in these second chance points for his team because of his ridiculous shot difficultly (which is his worst attribute) because double teaming would only put three guys near the rim to battle the likes of Shaq, Gasol, Howard, etc.
3. These are long-term trends, so yes, Kobe assists (and other players who excel in the stat over their whole career) do help the team, in spite of the individual performance.
Some of the best stat guys, such as Abbott, are on a personal mission to destroy Kobe. They should just accept him as the player as he is and let most of the world going thinking what they think.
Of course, there will always be a great myth with him (and every other transcendent superstar), but a great deal of it is deserved.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:24 am to Weebie
quote:
Kobe Shoots 16/41 Tonight Shaq leaves after three championships and Kobe becomes the main man on the Lakers - 2004-05: 34-48 (missed playoffs) 2005-06: 45-37 (lost in first round) 2006-07: 42-40 (lost in first round) Gasol is shipped to L.A. for next to nothing and more star players added and the Lakers are great again. the media gives Kobe virtually all of the credit and ignores the fact that he failed miserably as a leader in the three seasons before - 2007-08: 57-25 (lost Finals) 2008-09: 65-17 (won Finals) 2009-10: 57-25 (won Finals) 2010-11: 57-25 (lost conference Semi-Finals) Gasol starts to fall off and is now the scapegoat in the media to protect Kobe.
Every team that has won the title has had a Atleast 2 hall of famers on their team except for the 04 pistons
No one can win a title by themselves
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:24 am to Weebie
The wheels are coming off your argument. You're starting to look just like a Kobe hater.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:26 am to TigerBait1127
quote:
if you keep saying the dumb shite over and over again it doesn't make it true.
He is shooting a high %, and he shoots around the same # of shots as the elite SG's. His team plays poor defense, so of course he is going to shoot more in games they lose.
and my friend just because you obviously drink the SportsCenter Kobe kool-aid doesn't mean that he is as great as they hype him up to be.
his field goal percentage will drop as usual as the season goes along. last season he shot the ball 43% and is around 44-45% on his career. you also fail to mention the fact that he is leading the NBA in turnovers and is consistently in the top in that stat category.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:28 am to Weebie
U fail to mention that he has had to try play point guard for the past 20+ games
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 1:28 am
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:30 am to front2back
quote:
Every team that has won the title has had a Atleast 2 hall of famers on their team except for the 04 pistons
No one can win a title by themselves
that's not the point. I never said he should be able to win a title all by himself. the point is the Lakers flat out sucked for three years when Kobe was the main guy. if a player is a legit "all time great" then he should be able to at least carry his team to a better record than what Kobe did in those three seasons. they weren't even over .500 during those three years.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:31 am to Vicks Kennel Club
quote:
Honestly, you go too far in trying to belittle Kobe
What the frick are you talking about? This is the first Kobe thread I have EVER participated in on this board. I don't talk bad nor think badly of Kobe. I couldn't care less about the Lakers. But from everything I see, the Lakers are better when Kobe isn't taking high numbers of shots a game.
I don't even know why I came in this thread.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:33 am to front2back
quote:
Every team that has won the title has had a Atleast 2 hall of famers on their team except for the 04 pistons
No one can win a title by themselves
Hakeem says go F yourself.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:33 am to front2back
quote:
U fail to mention that he has had to try play point guard for the past 20+ games
the excuses never stop. one Lakers fan last night said that Kobe's been depressed in his personal life lately so that is why he's been turning the ball over 4 times per game.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:37 am to ZTiger87
ahh the good old asterik years
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:37 am to Weebie
how is that a excuse, they haven't had a point guard for over 20 games
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 1:38 am
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:38 am to Weebie
quote:
the point is the Lakers flat out sucked for three years when Kobe was the main guy.
He's been the main guy for multiple championships since then though.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:38 am to Weebie
quote:
Weebie
just admit that shooting the ball 20x a game is the norm for an elite Shooting Guard/Scorer
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:38 am to TotesMcGotes
quote:
You're starting to look just like a Kobe hater.
I've already stated that Kobe is a great player, but is extremely overrated. He doesn't make his team great, he only has success when he is playing on stacked teams full of stars. that is a fact and history proves it.
If you want to call me a Kobe hater that's fine and I'll accept that because I don't agree with giving him all of the credit and praise for something that he only HELPED do. Even with Shaq he was always the sidekick role player. If I'm a Kobe hater then you must be a SportsCenter Kobe Kool-Aid drinker.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:39 am to LSUSOBEAST1
quote:
What the frick are you talking about? This is the first Kobe thread I have EVER participated in on this board. I don't talk bad nor think badly of Kobe. I couldn't care less about the Lakers.
Oh, shite. I was thinking of Jumbo.
quote:
But from everything I see, the Lakers are better when Kobe isn't taking high numbers of shots a game.
This is true for every team ever because that generally means that the whole team is on. If you have a Monta Ellis, Kobe, Danny Granger, insert high volume shooter here, then they will take the brunt of the shots, especially when their teammates are putting up piss poor efforts. I think the high-volume shooters are definitely under appreciated because they often get a bad rap.
Look at the Pacers play without Granger. They have done way worse than anyone thought because Paul George, Hibbert, and the crew were not ready to take on 18 shots. For the most part, their efficiencies have dropped without the high-volume shooter. They are necessary to help facilitate the efficiency of their teammates.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:41 am to Weebie
quote:
Even with Shaq he was always the sidekick role player.
That is no way an insult. Pretty much anyone ever would be a sidekick to 2000-2002 Shaq. He was beyond unstoppable.
Page 3 of 6
Popular
Back to top
Follow TigerDroppings for LSU Football News