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Posted on 12/23/12 at 12:55 am to dukke v
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I would gowith Micheal Vick Myself.
Michael Vick has only received about a fourth of the undeserving praise and credit that Kobe Bryant has received his entire career.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 12:56 am to Weebie
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he is arguably the most overrated star player of all time in any professional sport.
Well I retract my previous statement and apply it to this
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 12:57 am
Posted on 12/23/12 at 12:57 am to Weebie
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great player, but extremely overrated. the Lakers were absolutely nothing special before Shaq, went to shite without him during those two and a half seasons while Kobe was the main guy, then Gasol comes to town and the Lakers are great again immediately and Kobe received 100% of the credit.
Vastly overrated by some, but underrated by others, such as yourself. Just because teams like the 2005 Lakers could not win a title does not mean that Kobe in-fricking-credible. His career is a testament to consistency. There is pretty much no doubt that he is a top ten player of all-time and probably right around top five.
Players like Dwyane Wade may have had a couple nicer seasons than Kobe, but his consistency and volume of points is virtually unmatched (along with Kareem and Malone) throughout the annals of NBA history.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 12:57 am to lsu480
Wait, so you were serious?
I'm just simply at a loss for words.
I'm just simply at a loss for words.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 12:58 am to LSUSOBEAST1
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That may be the stupidest thing I've read on TD all day.
I believe he was referencing this article.
Grantland: The Kobe Assist
It definitely makes some valid points.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 12:59 am to Weebie
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Michael Vick has only received about a fourth of the undeserving praise and credit that Kobe Bryant has received his entire career.
WHAT???????? Cuase he hasn't won shite. He is a TOTAL FAIL.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:02 am to Vicks Kennel Club
On a phone and a little drunk so I'm not reading that article but is the gist that he is so advanced that he can see when his guys are in position and then shoots bc that's the optimal time?
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:05 am to Vicks Kennel Club
Kobe Bryant also has the green light to chuck the ball 20 times per game (career average). If most NBA starters were given the green light to shoot the ball 20 times per game, then they too could average at least 20 points per game especially by the time you add in the free throws. I never once said that he hasn't been consistent, but the fact is that Kobe Bryant doesn't make his team better and history proves that. During the three seasons without Shaq and before Gasol and others when Kobe was the main guy on the Lakers, he led them to a below .500 overall regular season record, didn't make the playoffs once, and got knocked out in the first round twice.
Kobe Bryant alone doesn't make his team great like most of the other all time greats did/do. He succeeds when he is playing on an All Star stacked team and then the media gives him the credit for it. In recent years look at what LeBron did in Cleveland. he took a joke of a team to the finals while Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round when he didn't have Shaq, Gasol, or all the other stars he's played with.
Kobe Bryant alone doesn't make his team great like most of the other all time greats did/do. He succeeds when he is playing on an All Star stacked team and then the media gives him the credit for it. In recent years look at what LeBron did in Cleveland. he took a joke of a team to the finals while Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round when he didn't have Shaq, Gasol, or all the other stars he's played with.
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 1:07 am
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:07 am to Weebie
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the fact is that Kobe Bryant doesn't make his team better and history proves that
Is that really a fact?
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:08 am to boosiebadazz
Part of the reason is that the Lakers have had good offensive rebounders throughout the course of Kobe's career, so it is not quite as bad to just chuck it.
On the other hand, Kevin Love threes are not quite as effective as you would think because there is no one there to get the rebound.
Worth the read at a later time. Interesting perspective.
On the other hand, Kevin Love threes are not quite as effective as you would think because there is no one there to get the rebound.
Worth the read at a later time. Interesting perspective.
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 1:08 am
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:09 am to boosiebadazz
Defense gets out of rebound position when Kobe has the ball because they gotta play help defense on him
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:09 am to Weebie
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Kobe Bryant alone doesn't make his team great like most of the other all time greats did/do
I will agree with this. He is NOT even close to the greatest Laker of all-time. A LEADER he is not. BUT a GREAT player he IS.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:09 am to lsu480
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Points from offensive rebounds are scored from Kobe's missed shots at a far higher % than any other players. It's so high that even when he shoots 40% the team scores on 60% of the possessions where he shoots. People don't know shite like this about Kobe. It's not a metric the league measures but its a BIG fricking deal and it shows why Kobe is still the best offensive player in the game.
So 60% of the time it works every time?
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:12 am to Weebie
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If most NBA starters were given the green light to shoot the ball 20 times per game, then they too could average at least 20 points per game especially by the time you add in the free throws.
Sure, they would. However, most would also be less efficient, despite Kobe not always being wildly efficient because the vast majority league are simply worse players.
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I never once said that he hasn't been consistent, but the fact is that Kobe Bryant doesn't make his team better and history proves that.
This is not even worth my time. He consistently ranks near the top of the league in metric stats, such as PER, value added, EWA, etc. even if Lebron has dwarfed him in recent years (and others in the past). He is still a great player that would help any team - the same could be said for any stud.
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Kobe Bryant alone doesn't make his team great like most of the other all time greats did/do.
Proof?
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In recent years look at what LeBron did in Cleveland. he took a joke of a team to the finals while Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round when he didn't have Shaq, Gasol, or all the other stars he's played with.
While there are multitude of factors in this equation, the West is a whole different animal. What Lebron did was nothing short of amazing, but he would have got waxed far before the Finals if he had to play teams like the Spurs, Mavs, Suns, etc. in every round.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:13 am to Weebie
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During the three seasons without Shaq and before Gasol and others when Kobe was the main guy on the Lakers, he led them to a below .500 overall regular season record, didn't make the playoffs once, and got knocked out in the first round twice.
i think you forgot to mention how the rest of his team was absolute shite
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If most NBA starters were given the green light to shoot the ball 20 times per game
Jordan shot 22.9/game
Lebron's career low is 18.2 attempts/game
Durant averages around 20
Kobe averages 19.6
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 1:18 am
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:14 am to Vicks Kennel Club
The Lakers are 8-2 when Kobe took less than 20 shots so far this season. They are 4-11 when he takes more than 20 (this is as of like 5 days ago).
So kudos for developing a stat to try and justify his shooting, but it isn't beneficial to the Lakers' record. Stupid fricking article that really accomplishes very little.
So kudos for developing a stat to try and justify his shooting, but it isn't beneficial to the Lakers' record. Stupid fricking article that really accomplishes very little.
This post was edited on 12/23/12 at 1:15 am
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:16 am to D011ahbi11
Shaq leaves after three championships and Kobe becomes the main man on the Lakers -
2004-05: 34-48 (missed playoffs)
2005-06: 45-37 (lost in first round)
2006-07: 42-40 (lost in first round)
Gasol is shipped to L.A. for next to nothing and more star players added and the Lakers are great again. the media gives Kobe virtually all of the credit and ignores the fact that he failed miserably as a leader in the three seasons before -
2007-08: 57-25 (lost Finals)
2008-09: 65-17 (won Finals)
2009-10: 57-25 (won Finals)
2010-11: 57-25 (lost conference Semi-Finals)
Gasol starts to fall off and is now the scapegoat in the media to protect Kobe.
2004-05: 34-48 (missed playoffs)
2005-06: 45-37 (lost in first round)
2006-07: 42-40 (lost in first round)
Gasol is shipped to L.A. for next to nothing and more star players added and the Lakers are great again. the media gives Kobe virtually all of the credit and ignores the fact that he failed miserably as a leader in the three seasons before -
2007-08: 57-25 (lost Finals)
2008-09: 65-17 (won Finals)
2009-10: 57-25 (won Finals)
2010-11: 57-25 (lost conference Semi-Finals)
Gasol starts to fall off and is now the scapegoat in the media to protect Kobe.
Posted on 12/23/12 at 1:17 am to Weebie
Kobe is still a great player. It's widely known you can't win a championship without a surrounding cast.
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