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re: Kobe says This team could beat the Dream team????????????

Posted on 7/11/12 at 7:51 pm to
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 7:51 pm to
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The '92 team would stop the 2012 team more times. Plain and simple. And the '92 team would score at will. That's the difference.


man. thats some strong analysis. you should start a blog.
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 7:54 pm to
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man. thats some strong analysis. you should start a blog.


That's how simple it is. I can't think of a scenario where the '92 team couldn't name it's score. And when in doubt let MJ start schooling fools.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 7:55 pm to
Stockton could not guard any of the PGs and Magic couldn't think of guarding Kobe. LBJ is a top 10 player ever but Pippen could shut him down?? No chance. Jordan would be giving up 4 inches to Durant. Those matchups you gave are terrible.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 7:58 pm to
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That's how simple it is. I can't think of a scenario where the '92 team couldn't name it's score. And when in doubt let MJ start schooling fools.


One thing that gets over looked is that if there were ever a defender in the history of the NBA to guard Jordan its LBJ. Defensively I think the 12 team would start D Will to guard Magic. LBJ on Jordan. Kobe on Pippen. Carmelo/Love or Barkley and Chandler on the 5. Durant would play the 2 or 3 against dream team.
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 7:59 pm to
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Stockton could not guard any of the PGs and Magic couldn't think of guarding Kobe. LBJ is a top 10 player ever but Pippen could shut him down?? No chance. Jordan would be giving up 4 inches to Durant. Those matchups you gave are terrible.


All of this really is useless. If this 2012 team had to play 1992 basketball it wouldn't be close. Using todays rules it would be good games.
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 8:03 pm to
You are literally making zero points. You are spouting off opinions as facts when they are far from accurate.
Posted by rocket31
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 8:04 pm to
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You are literally making zero points.


his arguments are flawless. plain and simple. thats the difference. get over it.
Posted by LSUdm21
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 8:29 pm to
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You are literally making zero points. You are spouting off opinions as facts when they are far from accurate.


We're all just spouting off opinions ahab. None of us know how it would play out. Btw, who on this years roster stops Robinson or Ewing inside?
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 9:31 pm to
I agree with the fact 12 team has no answer for most of the bugs. I said I'd take the dream team but the games would be pretty close.
Posted by LSUandAU
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:03 pm to
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Kobe says This team could beat the Dream



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Posted by Sober Garcia
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:03 pm to
This year's team is by no means better than the Dream team or even Dream Team 2, but could they beat them? Sure. shite happens. If they played 50 times, the Dream Team would win 45 under 92 rules and at least 40 under today's rules. Dream Team 2 would be near that as well.

DT and DT2 had stud big men and had guys who could consistently knock down mid to long range jumpshots. That's the biggest difference at first glance. Then you have to contend with the Dream Team having 11 Hall of Famers with 9 of them in their primes and the College Basketball player of the year who held his own against those guys.
Posted by Palm Beach Tiger
Orlando, Florida
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:12 pm to
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and at least 40 under today's rules. Dream Team 2 would be near that as well.


No way in Hell. The original team is more skilled, but today's team is way more athletic top to bottom. The original team might win a series to 50 games but it would not be so lopsided. And I don't even think the 96 team could beat this one with today's rules over a coarse of that many games.
This post was edited on 7/11/12 at 10:13 pm
Posted by ottothewise
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 10:28 pm to
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They might could.


we need to list the rosters, side by side.

something tells me that Larry Bird and M Jordan are better than Durant and Lebron.

Patrick Ewing and David Robinson are going to kill those midgets pretending to be centers for the 2012's. The 2012's would be more competitive with Howard and Rose, but even then, I would bet the house on the 1992's.
The 1992's have Karl Malone and Charles Barkeley coming off the bench at forward.
Who from 2012 is covering Magic Johnson?
Chris Mullen, Scottie Pippen and John Stockton on the bench.

I have to tell Kobe, he is delusional. I cant fault him for saying it.
But its not even close to truth.

I would think in a 7 game series it would be 4-2 at best.
If they played 10 times, I would go 1992 7 times.
And it might be a 4-0 if Howard and Rose dont play.
The power on the boards, and the passing of Magic and Stockton and the outside shooting of Bird and Mullen.
Mighty defense from Clyde Drexler and Scottie Pippen, Magic, Bird and the big men in the middle. Shut them down sometimes.
I dont see the 2012's shutting the 1992's down at all.
I bet the MJ, Bird, Drexler/Pippen Malone/Sir Charles and either Admiral / Ewing, would shut the 2012's down for stretches.




Posted by RLDSC FAN
Rancho Cucamonga, CA
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:12 pm to
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something tells me that Larry Bird and M Jordan are better than Durant and Lebron.



92 Larry is not better than Durant or Lebron. MJ and the frontcourt is the reason I would take the 92 team but this team now is awesome as well.
Posted by southernelite
Dallas
Member since Sep 2009
53151 posts
Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:19 pm to
I mean you have to consider it, there were guys that would try and post magic up, and then beg the guys on the bench to snap a pic.
Posted by RandySavage
Member since May 2012
30815 posts
Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:21 pm to
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Magic
Jordan
Bird

You lose!


I'm not saying this team is better but this is bad logic. As good as Bird and Magic were Bird could barely run at that point in his career and Magic was old and hadn't played hardly at all the previous year after his HIV diagnosis.
Posted by Sober Garcia
Member since Jul 2012
107 posts
Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:28 pm to
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but today's team is way more athletic top to bottom.


Lol just because today's athletes have shite skill and have to rely heavily on their athleticism doesn't mean they are more athletic than past generations. Malone, Barkley, Robinson, Ewing, Clyde, Stockton, and Jordan were all great athletes. Magic's athleticism was diminished at that time, but 6'9 235 is 6'9 235 and he still was one of the best passers in the NBA.

The 96 team still had a better inside presence than the '12 team by far and while they didn't have Jordan, they had far better shooters than this year's team. Durant, Love, and maybe Paul are the only guy's I'd really worry about knocking down shots from 15 on out on a consistent basis. 96 had Stockton, Payton, Miller, Richmond, Hill, and Penny to hit the mid-long range shots.

Even if they managed to keep pace with them on the perimeter - and that's a HUGE if - the 96 team would beat the shite out of them down-low with a prime Shaq, Barkley, Robinson, Malone, and The Dream. We're talk about the top 2 power forwards of all-time still at relative peak play and then 3 top 10 centers of all time with one as the second best player in the world at the time (Shaq), another guy who is a top 5 in history that still was probably the most skilled big man to ever play the game (The Dream) and then David Robinson just to top it all off.

10 of those 12 guys are definite HOFers. Hill may be able to squeak out a HOF induction if they factor in his college days, they pity him due to the fact that injuries robbed 4-5 years of his prime, and the fact that he became an effective productive starter well into his late 20s. Penny was a guy who had elite talent, but unlike Grant his injuries got a hold of his career much sooner and he was never able to recover at all.

I'll concede that the 2012 team has a slither of an advantage in terms of overall total team athleticism than the 96 team, but they don't have any advantage over the '92 squad. In terms of overall total team skill, it's 92 by a large margin, then 96 and then 2012 as a distant third.

Posted by Ford Frenzy
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:31 pm to
This debate is really over when you see "Jordan" on the 1992 team and becomes ridiculous when you pair that with Magic and Bird...the 1992 big men also have a HUGE advantage but that's meaningless after "Jordan"
Posted by GeauxWarrior12
Hammond
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:52 pm to
Magic and Bird would be the weaknesses of the dream team. They were old and slow.
Posted by Sober Garcia
Member since Jul 2012
107 posts
Posted on 7/11/12 at 11:56 pm to
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Magic and Bird would be the weaknesses of the dream team. They were old and slow.



The same Bird who was making players in their 20s look silly all during the Olympics? Yeah he had a horrible back, but he could still move and he still had more skill in his 34 year old broken body than 99% of today's players and that's a damn fact.

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