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If this exact same scenario played out with the Penn State wrestling team, would there even be a question of whether or not they would get the death penalty?


ETA. Granted, that if this went up the chain of command, the HC and the AD probably wouldn't cover it up because the wrestling team doesn't bring in the $ or has the prestige as football, but hypothetical question for arguments sake.

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If it was the wrestling team this story would have received a 1/10 of that of the coverage and not a single person would ask for the death penalty.

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Wasn't Bird's back pretty well shot by then? I was always under the impression that Bird was on that team more as a victory lap type deal than he was an integral piece?

I know he scored 8 points a game, for 9th on the team.

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Pretty much. He was there because he and Magic helped build the NBA into a respectable nationwide league. There was no way that the greatest SF to ever take the court was going to miss the first Olympics that American pros were allowed to participate in.

As scary as the Dream Team was, can you imagine how scary the 88 team would have been if they allowed pros to go then as well?

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Now, death penalty for Penn State.

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Sure sign of an idiot.

Interesting. Won't happen, but interesting.

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what would you suggest be done?

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About what? Those who covered it up? The legal system has them now. Nothing should be done to the football program because there is nothing the NCAA has jurisdiction to do nor did they break any NCAA rules went it comes to the Sandusky case. As far as the NCAA should be concerned, this is none of their business. They have no authority in the matter and need to just move on and focus on their duties.

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Are you implying that there is no scandal here?

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If by "scandal" you mean the media has taken a hold of a simple open and shut case and blown it up to be more than than and trying to exploit the details of the case for their benefit while continue to dig for more dirt to milk it even further for their own benefit, then yeah sure there's a scandal.

Kind of reminds me of the Casey Anthony/George Zimmerman stuff. Rather than reporting straight to the facts, people are letting their feelings and their opinions of what did happen and what they THINK happen cloud what the facts are. Everyone wants to get the jump on the latest "hot" story or scandal or big news event that they lose any sense of focus and understanding of the big picture. It marks one of the worst trends in our society over the last few decades. We continue to abandon logic and reason in big news stories/case and allow our feelings and emotions to take over more and more for far too long.

It's a damn shame to, because the only victims of this case - the boys who were molested/raped - have to keep hearing about it at every turn, rather than report the facts and then move on until more facts come along. I seriously doubt any of them truly want to see Penn State's athletic department punished for this when the athletic department and the current student-athletes had nothing to do with the crimes committed against them or the cover up either.

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The NCAA MUST DO SOMETHING. They will lose a lot of credibility if they do not. You can not punish a program if a coach decides to ignore a player receiving illegal benefits if you do not punish a program that allowed a culture of child molestation to take place in the football facilities of the university.

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Lol you think that the PSU Board of Trustees, President, Athletic Director and Joe Paterno were encouraging Sandusky to use the football facilities of to molest boys? Damn you are stupid. Hell even if they did, that's not what the NCAA governs.

They govern the rules of play and player conduct for sports. A former coach molesting young boys is not now nor has it ever been in their jurisdiction. They have no card to play here. It's a legal matter outside of their control as well it should be.

Seriously, learn something before you make an arse out of yourself with your teenage emotional reaction.

God there are some idiots on here. JoePa is not the police. He reported it to his superiors and then went about his business. Last I checked, he was not in law enforcement. He reported what he knew and went on doing what his job was: Coaching football.

What do people want the old arse man to do? Drag Sandusky to jail himself? I also love the idiots who say "well if I was in the same position I would have... bullshite bullshite bullshite and more bullshite." You have no idea what you would have done in the situation at the time without the privilege of hindsight.

Again, what the hell do you expect Jay to say? ESPN probably called him up before this came out and wanted his comments on it. Of course the guy is going to defend his father. His father wasn't the one molesting kids. His father wasn't the one who led the cover-up. Sure Joe isn't absolved of any wrong doing, but damn, people are acting like he was raping kids too and telling the cops to deal with it. This guy could barely walk around the sidelines of the stadium and you want to crucify him for crap he didn't do.


Sucker born every minute.

Exciting and original thread topic broseph. Would read it again.

I have no idea why I still give this story the time of day anymore, but what do you really expect Jay to say? His dad wasn't the one molesting the boys. What do you really expect 193 year old Joe Paterno to do about this all? People just keep digging for a bigger scandal than there really is.

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Are you serious? It's one of, if not the biggest sports scandals ever.

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It's not a sports scandal anymore. Seriously you people trying to relate this to the sports world are grasping for straws at this point. Sandusky was a FORMER coach. He was the main catalyst behind it. He was not a part of any program when this story broke. The PSU board/President covered it up. They don't work in the Athletic Department. They have nothing to do with the sports arena.

Paterno is dead. This story has no business being anything more than a passing blip on ESPN's radar. As bad as Sandusky's crimes were, they have nothing to do with Penn State's AD anymore. All those parties are dead or gone. This story doesn't belong on ESPN on 3 damn channels for an entire 24 hours period anymore.

Also, it's far from the biggest sports scandal ever because the scandal itself did not occur in relation to sports. The steroids scandal in baseball, SMU's death penalty, Armstrong potentially on roids, etc. those are sports scandals because they are directly related and involve the sports themselves. As bad as Sandusky's crimes were, he was a former coach. This has nothing to do with athletics anymore. Just another example of ESPN overcovering an event that they have no business giving more than passing coverage too.