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re: Kevin Love stays with Cavs -- 5 year / 110 Mill
Posted on 7/1/15 at 2:50 pm to Dr. Shultz
Posted on 7/1/15 at 2:50 pm to Dr. Shultz
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Bill Simmons even talked about it right after the Cavs got Love. Said something similar to.. "There is going to be a ton of misinformation and lies spread all season about the Cavs and Kevin Love to try and break them up. Hoping for a Dwight Howard situation part II"
If that's what they wanted they should have had Kobe put on a Cavs jersey and meet with Love.
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Posted on 7/1/15 at 2:52 pm to Dr. Shultz
Damian Lillard has already been an all-star twice. He's 24, I believe.
This season he was 30th in the league in PER. You don't think Wiggins has a higher ceiling than that?
Klay Thompson was 29th and was 3rd team all-NBA. These awards/recognitions are pretty pointless, but I wouldn't be surprised if Wiggins was an all-star next season.
I think he's going to be awesome. Really excited to watch him play next year.
This season he was 30th in the league in PER. You don't think Wiggins has a higher ceiling than that?
Klay Thompson was 29th and was 3rd team all-NBA. These awards/recognitions are pretty pointless, but I wouldn't be surprised if Wiggins was an all-star next season.
I think he's going to be awesome. Really excited to watch him play next year.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 2:54 pm to Dr. Shultz
Didn't see that coming
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:04 pm to BayouBengals03
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Damian Lillard has already been an all-star twice. He's 24, I believe.
This season he was 30th in the league in PER. You don't think Wiggins has a higher ceiling than that?
Klay Thompson was 29th and was 3rd team all-NBA. These awards/recognitions are pretty pointless, but I wouldn't be surprised if Wiggins was an all-star next season.
I think he's going to be awesome. Really excited to watch him play next year.
What does that have to do anything to do with this? Wiggins was ranked 191th in PER this season. He's a rookie who cares. The guys you just mentioned are still young. You think their ceilings are 30th and 29th?
IDK how efficient Wiggins could be but being top 30 in PER wont make him a superstar
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I wouldn't be surprised if Wiggins was an all-star next season.
You think he's going to surpass..
Westbrook, Curry, CP3, Klay Thompson, James Harden, Damian Lilliard for the guard spots?
Or you think he is gonna surpass Kevin Durant, Aldridge, Griffin, Anthony Davis, Marc Gasol, Dwight Howard for the forward\center spots?
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:05 pm to Dr. Shultz
Not saying it will. Just saying it's not as hard to make the All-Star team as you're making it out to be.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:07 pm to BayouBengals03
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Not saying it will. Just saying it's not as hard to make the All-Star team as you're making it out to be.
Think of the players he has to be better then man. I just named 12 players that there is no way he will surpass by next season unless they have season ending injuries
Him being on a shitty team will really hurt his chances as well.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 3:08 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:11 pm to Dr. Shultz
Just sounds like you are saying he will never be an All-Star or something.
Do you realize how overly successful past #1 overall picks have been in this league? I would be shocked if Wiggins isn't an All-Star in the next three seasons.
ETA: And the T-Wolves might not be that shitty for too much longer.
Do you realize how overly successful past #1 overall picks have been in this league? I would be shocked if Wiggins isn't an All-Star in the next three seasons.
ETA: And the T-Wolves might not be that shitty for too much longer.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 3:13 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:17 pm to BayouBengals03
No I'm not arguing the kid won't be an all star. Just saying that it wont be for a few years. As in 3+.
In 3+ years, LeBrons prime will be over. Hence, wasting the end of his prime with a guy who might be an all star instead of competing for a championship with a guy who is a surefire all star RIGHT NOW.
In 3+ years, LeBrons prime will be over. Hence, wasting the end of his prime with a guy who might be an all star instead of competing for a championship with a guy who is a surefire all star RIGHT NOW.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:25 pm to Dr. Shultz
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In 3+ years, LeBrons prime will be over. Hence, wasting the end of his prime with a guy who might be an all star instead of competing for a championship with a guy who is a surefire all star RIGHT NOW.
You think the Cavs wouldn't be competing for championships with Wiggins?
They were relatively close with LeBron and a bunch of nobodies.
Does Love give them a better chance to win right now? Yeah. Next season for sure. However, the fact of the matter is that the Cavs could both compete for championships and keep a really good player for the long haul at the same time. Not even mentioning the fact that Wiggins would be on his rookie contract, providing extra cap space for the Cavs to build an even better roster (not having to pay Love $22M/year). Not saying they'd go out an sign Aldridge or something (because they couldn't), but certainly add a few pieces.
Most people think Wiggins is going to be a really good, all-star caliber player for a lot of years. I just think it was shortsighted on the Cavs' part. People will argue that they HAVE to look short-term, because they're in a win-now mode. My opinion is that they'll be competing for (and winning) championship(s) for the next 2-3 years no matter who is around LeBron and Irving. And I don't see how anyone can disagree with that.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:38 pm to BayouBengals03
So what happens to TT?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:38 pm to Dr. Shultz
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No I'm not arguing the kid won't be an all star. Just saying that it wont be for a few years. As in 3+.
In 3+ years, LeBrons prime will be over. Hence, wasting the end of his prime with a guy who might be an all star instead of competing for a championship with a guy who is a surefire all star RIGHT NOW.
Yeah, plus Wiggins could be an all time great but just refuse to stay in Cleveland and give them no help in winning a championship in his prime.
It is a gamble. Love has been an outright liability on the defensive end of the court. Wiggins could be amazing. But I think you have to take that gamble for the right now if you are Cleveland.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:40 pm to Dr. Shultz
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In 3+ years, LeBrons prime will be over. Hence, wasting the end of his prime with a guy who might be an all star instead of competing for a championship with a guy who is a surefire all star RIGHT NOW.
I don't think anyone is arguing against Love's merits. Just that they didn't need someone of Love's caliber to fill the role that he's filling. Lebron doesn't need much to compete for championships.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:42 pm to Goldrush25
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I don't think anyone is arguing against Love's merits. Just that they didn't need someone of Love's caliber to fill the role that he's filling. Lebron doesn't need much to compete for championships.
Exactly.
They'd be competing and probably winning one over the next few seasons anyway.
$22M is a lot for what they are asking Love to be.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:44 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Which is essentially irrelevant.
Do you realize how overly successful past #1 overall picks have been in this league?
quote:He very well may be a great player like you have predicted, but what information do have to be shocked if he isn't?
I would be shocked if Wiggins isn't an All-Star in the next three seasons.
He didn't have an all-time great individual season. 538 has some interesting articles showing this, although I think this was obvious. It's hard to say somebody is bound to be an individually great player when there have been no data indicative of greatness yet. Even successful at Kansas, he didn't look like a once in a lifetime player like Durant in his one collegiate season. It's possible that it's yet to come, but to suggest individual greatness based on individual above averageness is just an unsupported extrapolation.
Now maybe the individual data aren't capturing his true value. Then we would expect his teams to overachieve to show possible evidence of greatness. But we don't have that either. Even though the Timberwolves were destined for the lottery, if anything, they were worse than expected. His Kansas team, with one of the best coaches in CBB, and other talented players, was knocked out early, partially because Wiggins played poorly in the tournament.
We don't have indivdual or team data to indicate greatness at this time, and if anything, he's underachieved relative to the expectations that he was going to be the next great one. Again, he still may be, and nothing says he can't, but nothing says he will at this point either.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:48 pm to hiltacular
quote:5 year 80mil deal with Cle
So what happens to TT?
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:51 pm to BayouBengals03
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$22M is a lot for what they are asking Love to be.
There will be tons of that next year and the year after. Dudes are about to get paid under the CBA.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 3:57 pm to BayouBengals03
quote:Hopefully they can get him some different looks like they started to do in the playoffs. They had him posting up more and he looked pretty damn good. And Mozgov has a nice little midrange doesn't he? He doesn't have to be under the basket at all times and forcing Love to always be outside and basically a spot up 3 point shooter. I think this Cavs team is gonna be amazing.
$22M is a lot for what they are asking Love to be.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:09 pm to tigerpimpbot
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There will be tons of that next year and the year after. Dudes are about to get paid under the CBA.
Yep.
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:18 pm to ReauxlTide222
I know the deal he got I just don't understand how CLE plans on utilizing TT and Love. Love is a great player but I am not sure he is the right fit on that team. TT is exactly what Lebron needs. If Kyrie doesn't get injured they may win the finals. I don't think having a healthy Love makes a difference one way or the other.
This post was edited on 7/1/15 at 4:20 pm
Posted on 7/1/15 at 4:51 pm to hiltacular
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So what happens to TT?
Committed grand theft.
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