re: Kentucky Derby Discussion Thread

We did

Horse that won is his absolute favorite though

Awesome Aspy...happy stable tonight!

I had the 11-13-5 Tri, needed about 30 more yards of track

;i think what's irking me is that we just watched 2 days of racing, and everyone knows for the most part, we didn't see the best 3YO in the country run in either race.

There is only one thing that's gonna satisfy me at this point. I want to see Songbird and I want to see Nyquist in the same starting gate, preferably in the haskall.


Beating these scrubs isn't doing much.

There is something to be said for heart and the desire to win.

Btw, a pretty hilarious thread on the it right now about the derby. Apparently one guy owned a horse once so he knows racing is cruel.

He probably rode it too.

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You know this probably isn't going to happen. I hate Nyquist. Always have, but he beat me into submission after Florida Derby. I mean he comes home like a $3500 claimer at River Downs, but always hangs on. In fact, I didn't realize until late that HE HAS NEVER BEEN PASSED. He is a nice horse, the richest horse entering and exiting the Derby. I always pull for the Triple Crown, but honestly, he belongs nowhere near those horses and I'd like to say he has no shot in the Belmont, but who's going to beat him? He could literally get a super easy pace there and come home a winner.

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I can say pretty confidently he wont' win the Triple Crown. He's not that good. physics and shite eventually will catch up with him.

The gap between the best 3YO colt and the 2nd best, is so drastic tho, and it's not becuase the 3YO colt is American Phraoh level good. a month from now, the wear and tear will show up and a horse that's fresh will have a significant advantage.


There is no one in racing i hate more than Zayat, but i can respect talent and alweays liked American Phraoah because it was clear he belonged. This horse does not.


There's eventually come a point with songbird, where there's nothing left to prove against fillies, and that point is going to come sooner rather than later. I say after the coaching club american oaks or at worse the Beldame, there's just not gonna be a point anymore. There was no way the owner was gonna do Eight Bells 2.0 considering he was the owner of Eight Bells 1.0 but i think he eventually will run her against boys.


really isn't that big a deal as people make it out to be running against colts, ti's what you do when you literally cannot lose against fillies. it will eventually happen. but this was just too early.

for anyone interested this is the pedigree predictions for the now run derby LINK

Nyquist was towardst he bottom of the list. This is pedigree / stanima only not performance.


Chef De Race are the most influential sires in horse racing. They get broken down into 1 of 4 categories B(Brilliant), I(Intermediate), C(Classic) or S(Stainima) or P(professional)


i say 4 because i've never seen a P in a real pedigree before.


brilliant = early developing. the sire has a knack for producing early developing horses (ex.Nasrullah)

intermediate = middle distance type horses / sprinters / early speed. (ex. El Prado)

Classic- has a nack for producing classic distance horses (ex. A.P Indy)


Stanma = provides stanima to offspring (ex. Secretariat)


honestly don't know what p means.


Each Chef De Race is worth 16 points. First generation is worth 16, 2nd generation is worth 8, 3rd generation is worth 4, 4th generation is worth 2. this is how you get a horses dosage. any horse with a dosage over 4 at least in the past, you could throw out in the derby. not so much anymore. the lower the number, the further their pedigree suggests they can run

jesus Nyquist has a dosage of 7 frick my life lol


i don't feel like researching but that might be legit the highest ever.

So, you made cash in 1980 and 1988?

Yep at Whiteys on Downman Rd. Blackie ran a book out of a cigar box. Great times.


How old do you think I am.