re: Kaep getting a pass for running OOB on SF's last drive?

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The next play was an incomplete pass so the clock would have stopped anyway

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Are you serious?

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edit: Wait, by calling the timeout, the clock was going to stop on the next play no matter what since it was the 2 minute warning. They could still run the ball.

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Correct, but it took the value out of running the ball. IF its 2nd and 19 with 2:00 left then you force the Saints to use their timeouts by running the ball. Calling the timeout at 2:01 is daring the offense to throw since the utility of running the ball is taken away.

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I always wonder how coaches are allowed to get away with arse-clownery like this, but now I know why. People like you are not only not bright enough to realize how stupid that timeout was but actually go as far as to praise Payton for it.

That timeout saved exactly 1 second at the cost of a timeout. The next play was an incomplete pass so the clock would have stopped anyway. The 2 minute warning was not used to stop the clock.

Jesus Christ, I hope you were being sarcastic with your post although I really just don't think you were.

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surely you jest

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This is the part I'm not following. 9ers have the ball.
Saints want to preserve clock right?
Sorry, I'm not getting it.

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2:01 2nd and 19 - 49er's run the ball for a gain of 2-5 yards. The clock stops at worst with 1:53 remaining. Now it's still third and long and the clock is stopped.

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9ers have the ball. Saints want to preserve clock right?

Sorry, I'm not getting it.

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You pretty much just explained it for yourself.

With the clock already stopped at 2:01, there is an automatic TO after the next play. The value in running the ball for the 49ers is diminished because it runs zero clock, and it doesn't force the Saints to use another TO.

Exactly.

And yes, the 9ers COULD have ran on that next play. But they didn't, and the Saints D almost (re: DID) make a play on that one.

It worked exactly as it wanted.

If you don't get it by now, you'll never get it...give up

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I always wonder how coaches are allowed to get away with arse-clownery like this, but now I know why. People like you are not only not bright enough to realize how stupid that timeout was but actually go as far as to praise Payton for it.

That timeout saved exactly 1 second at the cost of a timeout. The next play was an incomplete pass so the clock would have stopped anyway. The 2 minute warning was not used to stop the clock.

Jesus Christ, I hope you were being sarcastic with your post although I really just don't think you were.

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If Payton does not call that timeout, here's how it goes:

Saints have two timeouts.

2:06 1st&10 Kaepernick sacked at SF11 for loss of 9 yards.
2:00 2-minute warning
2:00 2nd&19 San Francisco runs a running play and gains a few yards
1:55 New Orleans TIMEOUT, 1 remaining.
1:55 3rd&11 San Francisco runs a running play and gains a few yards
1:50 New Orleans TIMEOUT, 0 remaining.
1:50 4th&3 Andrew Lee punts for 48 yards to NO25. No return. Penalty: FC Interference on San Francisco (Osgood) 15 yards.
1:41 1st&10 New Orleans, 0 timeouts.

So tell me, what's better? 1:41 with 0 timeouts or 1:41 with 1 timeout?

It was a bad play, but some are making it out more than it was. It's not like he just trotted out of bounds. The kid was thinking he could get the first down and trying to get it and got cutoff last second.

Was it the best thing he could've done? No, but it's not like he took a sack running out of bounds or after gaining a couple of yards on 3rd and 19.

Seems like this should be a pretty simple concept. After the sack, throwing the ball would have been a relatively dumb decision because an incomplete pass stops the clock. Saints take the TO @ 2:01 and now SF is likely to entertain throwing the football since the clock is going to stop for the 2 minute warning anyways. Obviously this is what Payton wanted and he was trying to force them into a bad decision under poor conditions.

If you don't call the TO, the clock stops at 2:00 for the 2-minute warning. You still have the TO, but you're also a play behind the scenario above since they didn't have to run another play before the two minute warning.


Think of it this way - if the play clock starts on 2nd down with 2:41 left, the team with the ball must run a play before the two minute warning. If you're trying to run out the clock, this means it will be 3rd down with 1:55 or so and a stopped clock.

However, if there is 2:39 left, the team doesn't have to run a play and will get 2nd down with 2:00 left and a stopped clock, and then 3rd down won't have to be snapped until 1:15-1:20 left.

Which is better for the Saints? The 49ers?

Hope that helps.