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re: Jack Nicklaus Or Tiger Woods?
Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:29 am to David Ricky
Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:29 am to David Ricky
You’re a Tiger fan too?
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Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:35 am to Vidic
Even most people that aren’t Tiger fans would agree with that imo.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 9:44 am to David Ricky
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I think Nicklaus has had a much greater impact on the game
Lmao Tiger had a bigger impact on golf than any other athlete in any sport in history imo
Opinions are like a$$holes. We All have them. I disagree with yours and you disagree with mine.
I would even add the Arnold Palmer and "Arnie's Army" probably did more to attract more blue-collar people to the game than anyone. Before Palmer, golf was a rich man's game...Then came TV and Palmer.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 9:45 am
Posted on 4/20/19 at 10:05 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Opinions are like a$$holes. We All have them. I disagree with yours and you disagree with mine.
That’s not really an opinion. It’s pretty much a consensus that Tiger has had a bigger impact on golf than any single figure before him.
He completely changed the way the game was played, the way it was covered, the amount of money a professional golfer can make both on and off the course. Golf never depended on Jack and Arnold like it has depended on Tiger for the last 22 years.
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:21 am to David Ricky
Name a course that was completely changed because your fav GOAT was too good on it.
Tiger - Augusta National
Jack - ??
Go.
Arnie changed the way people made money on tour by marketing and bringing golf to a bigger base.
Tiger did that too but to a larger scale. And he also changed the way they designed courses.
Jack won a lot. But Jack was the best of those of the golfer mold.
Arnie and Tiger changed the mold.
Tiger - Augusta National
Jack - ??
Go.
Arnie changed the way people made money on tour by marketing and bringing golf to a bigger base.
Tiger did that too but to a larger scale. And he also changed the way they designed courses.
Jack won a lot. But Jack was the best of those of the golfer mold.
Arnie and Tiger changed the mold.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 11:25 am
Posted on 4/20/19 at 2:28 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:
Name a course that was completely changed because your fav GOAT was too good on it.
Tiger - Augusta National
Jack - ??
Go.
Arnie changed the way people made money on tour by marketing and bringing golf to a bigger base.
Tiger did that too but to a larger scale. And he also changed the way they designed courses.
Jack won a lot. But Jack was the best of those of the golfer mold.
Arnie and Tiger changed the mold.
Good points..
Consider this:
In 1980 (the first year that the PGA Tour’s driving distance stats are available), Dan Pohl led the field while averaging 274.3 yards per drive. The Tour average was 256.89 yards.
In 1997, John Daly became the first golfer on the PGA Tour to average more than 300 yards per drive. That year, he was more than 30 yards longer than the average Tour player. (Tiger was coming onto the scene about this time)
Now, 22 years later, the entire PGA Tour averages 295.3 yards off the tee — the longest average ever. By the way that stat has been increasing over the past five years, don’t be surprised to see the Tour’s average break the 300 mark by 2024.
Had Nicklaus had the Clubs and balls played by Tiger and the rest of the pros in the 70's and 80's Augusta would have been lengthened then. Technology has played as much into the lengthening of the courses as much as the golfer.
Here's the history since 1980:
Here’s the average driving distance and overall leader for every year since 1980:
Year Average Distance Leader Leader's average
2018 295.29 Trey Mullinax 318
2017 292.79 Rory McIlroy 316.7
2016 291.06 J.B. Holmes 314.5
2015 290.21 Dustin Johnson 317.7
2014 289.85 Bubba Watson 314.3
2013 288.00 Luke List 306.3
2012 290.07 Bubba Watson 315.5
2011 291.14 J.B. Holmes 318.4
2010 287.49 Robert Garrigus 315.5
2009 288.07 Robert Garrigus 312
2008 287.74 Bubba Watson 315.1
2007 289.08 Bubba Watson 315.2
2006 289.35 Bubba Watson 319.6
2005 288.88 Scott Hend 318.9
2004 287.32 Hank Kuehne 314.4
2003 286.30 Hank Kuehne 321.4
2002 279.84 John Daly 306.8
2001 279.35 John Daly 306.7
2000 273.18 John Daly 301.4
1999 272.45 John Daly 305.6
1998 270.63 John Daly 299.4
1997 267.67 John Daly 302
1996 266.49 John Daly 288.8
1995 263.55 John Daly 289
1994 261.84 Davis Love III 283.8
1993 260.36 John Daly 288.9
1992 260.52 John Daly 283.4
1991 261.44 John Daly 288.9
1990 262.75 Tom Purtzer 279.6
1989 261.81 Ed Humenik 280.9
1988 263.50 Steve Thomas 284.6
1987 262.50 John McComish 283.9
1986 261.58 Davis Love III 285.7
1985 260.18 Andy Bean 278.2
1984 259.61 Bill Glasson 276.5
1983 258.65 John McComish 277.4
1982 256.89 Bill Calfee 275.3
1981 259.66 Dan Pohl 280.1
1980 256.89 Dan Pohl 274.3
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 3:55 pm to David Ricky
Oh look another U fan who never attended... because you like the logo. 
Posted on 4/20/19 at 3:57 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:
Name a course that was completely changed because your fav GOAT was too good on it.
Tiger - Augusta National
Jack - ??
G
You do know that Augusta would mess with Greens and roughs mid tournament back in the 60’s and 70’s
They don’t do that anymore after Ballesteros figured out how to get around the place
So lengthening courses isn’t a Tiger thing just a catchphrase the media used.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 10:30 pm to sms151t
Augusta dramatically changed yardages by adding 300 yards to six holes and added trees to fairways in between 1999 and 2002. They also finally added a “second cut” to the course. Their purpose was to make it harder to scramble for long hitters and to tighten some of the larger landing spots for long hitters. 7 9 11 13 15 and 17 all got tighter fairways. They wanted to bring trouble back for guys long enough to bypass the older trouble spots.
It was the first time they made major changes in 50 years.
The very next year a shorter driving guy won in Mike Weir. And while Phil and Tiger won as well two more short drivers won again in Zach Johnson and Trevor Immelmann.
These were major changes in response to Tiger winning three times in six years and making it look easy.
Don’t compare that to tinkering with greens.
It was the first time they made major changes in 50 years.
The very next year a shorter driving guy won in Mike Weir. And while Phil and Tiger won as well two more short drivers won again in Zach Johnson and Trevor Immelmann.
These were major changes in response to Tiger winning three times in six years and making it look easy.
Don’t compare that to tinkering with greens.
This post was edited on 4/20/19 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 4/20/19 at 11:34 pm to extremetigerfanatic
All of that is correct. This chart shows Tiger’s club selection for his second shot with Sunday pins. He was going after pins with wedges on over half the holes in ‘97 lol
Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:36 am to David Ricky
Simple question. Do the extended Augusta if Tiger Woods is playing with the balls and clubs from the 70's and 80's?
Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:52 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Simple question. Do the extended Augusta if Tiger Woods is playing with the balls and clubs from the 70's and 80's?
Yes. If the clubs and balls were such an advantage, why was he blasting it past everyone else?
Posted on 4/21/19 at 12:18 pm to David Ricky
quote:he's in the class with Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan and Hulk Hogan
Lmao Tiger had a bigger impact on golf than any other athlete in any sport in history imo
Posted on 4/21/19 at 7:21 pm to extremetigerfanatic
quote:
Don’t compare that to tinkering with greens
Tinkering with Greens as you say has a bigger effect than lengthened courses. Especially when they do it mid tournament Why do you think the players complain more about that then they do longer courses
I mean Zach Johnson and Mike Weir showed how to hit 16 under just by birdie on par 5 by laying up. Distance isn’t that big of a deal.
This post was edited on 4/21/19 at 7:24 pm
Posted on 4/22/19 at 8:46 am to Bonkers119
Jack was 46 and shot 65 to win the Masters. All this crap about Tiger's competition is much more deep than what Jack had to face, let's see, there's Rocco Mediate, Bob May, Y.E. Yang, Tom Kite when he was 45. Just a few of the names Tiger had to compete against in Majors. Compare that to, Arnold Palmer, Gary Player, Lee Trevino, Johnny Miller, Raymond Floyd and drumroll please, Tom Watson...do I need to go on ? Jack, and it's not even close.
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 8:47 am
Posted on 4/22/19 at 8:49 am to CU_Tigers4life
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Clubs are more advanced, ball fly longer, GPS tech to judge distance, hand-held devices show wind directions and speeds at ridiculous accuracy
Those advances are available to ALL competitors -- not just Tiger.
I kind of look at it like this -- when Tiger started dominating the golf world actually started redesigning courses to be "Tiger Proof". Tiger had to adjust his game as a result. You never heard about the golfing community "Jack Proofing" anything.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 8:51 am to Bonkers119
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He could easily get to 90 tour wins, and no one will ever get close to that.
I could be wrong, but I don't think he played nearly as many tournaments in his prime as Jack did. Imagine how many wins Tiger would have if he had played almost every week in his prime. He played the majors, the near majors, and a select few other tournaments that allowed him to prepare for the majors.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:07 am to David Ricky
This "TIGER PROOFING" Augusta National is a joke of major proportions. In those days no one but Daly could even come close to the length of Woods and Daly was an out of shape, chain-smoking drunk. The idea that a golf course can be lengthened to make it tougher on one guy is silly. As a matter of fact the lengthening of the course should have given Woods an even bigger advantage over the shorter hitters. I'd enjoy watching Tiger Woods attempt to hit booming drives with persimmon woods in his hand and accurate 5 irons with a Hogan forged iron from 1977 with a sweet spot the size of a mouse's ear. To put a bow on the 2019 Masters, what I saw was an experienced player who knew exactly where to put the ball in the fairways and the greens. It wasn't Woods' superior ability that won him the Masters, it was his superior knowledge of the golf course. The best player/ball striker/putter and just all around player did not win the Masters, Brooks Koepka/Dustin Johnson. But the man with the most experience on a golf course where local knowledge means almost everything won the tournament, deservedly so.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:09 am to Caughtthat4ironflush
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I'd enjoy watching Tiger Woods attempt to hit booming drives with persimmon woods in his hand and accurate 5 irons with a Hogan forged iron from 1977 with a sweet spot the size of a mouse's ear.
Tigwr would have won far, far more with the older equipment. Don't be a fool.
Posted on 4/22/19 at 9:13 am to Caughtthat4ironflush
If you go back and read a little through this thread you'd realize that Tiger played in more competitions against the best golfers in the world than Jack did. Yes Jack had the luxury of having those guys as contemporaries and good for him. Now Tiger competes with DJ, Speith, Rory, Fowler, Rose, Reed, Poulter, Koepka, Thomas, Day, Molinari, Kuchar, Phil, Xander, Bryson, Matsuyama, Bubba, Simpson, Finau, Rahm, Scott, Bradley, Cantlay, Sergio, Stinson & more. It's Tiger and it's not even close.
This post was edited on 4/22/19 at 9:14 am
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