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Posted on 4/10/13 at 7:53 pm to DelU249
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I'm not sayin Westbrook is better but watching the finals last year, durant didn't seem that into it while Westbrook was carrying the team. Worth noting.
i love durant, and i love westbrook...and yes, westbrook can play way out of control, BUT
he pretty much only does this when durant is deferring and playing like a total pussy. he's done it 2 playoffs in a row
Posted on 4/10/13 at 7:55 pm to eumont
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I'm not sure how a guy who averages 23 and 7.5 assists with 2 steals isn't considered a two way guy
yeah i didn't know if he was saying westbrook needed to improve his offense or defense
Posted on 4/10/13 at 7:55 pm to jturn17
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I wish people would be harder on Durant's deficiencies than just blaming Westbrook for whatever ills they feel the Thunder have.
I bet you blamed Lebron when he "couldn't win the big one".
But yeah, let's ignore Westbrook's shitty shot selection in the playoffs. His 42% from the field and 29% from 3 really speak for his performance offensively
Posted on 4/10/13 at 8:00 pm to GynoSandberg
but he typically only dominates the ball when durant refuses, especially in the playoffs. it's frustrating to watch
when durant demands the ball, he gets it
when durant demands the ball, he gets it
Posted on 4/10/13 at 8:06 pm to SlowFlowPro
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but he typically only dominates the ball when durant refuses, especially in the playoffs. it's frustrating to watch
when durant demands the ball, he gets it
Completely agree.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 8:14 pm to CocoLoco
70% agree
there are certainly also times when durant has wanted the ball and westbrook has still played out of control
there are certainly also times when durant has wanted the ball and westbrook has still played out of control
Posted on 4/10/13 at 8:33 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:jturn?
I bet you blamed Lebron when he "couldn't win the big one".
I'll take that bet.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 9:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Definitely his defense. It's not that great, especially considering how athletic he is. He should be a much better defender than he is. Same reason I wouldn't put Harden in a top 5.
yeah i didn't know if he was saying westbrook needed to improve his offense or defense
Also, I wrote that while I was in class. So thinking back I wasn't clear on what I was saying. I just figured it was assumed that Westbrook was obviously a gifted offensive player. And obviously all this is relative. My criticisms are in relation to other top players, not the average player.
quote:Steals do not equate to defense. Just like blocks don't mean good defense is being played. Positioning is far more important to defense than how many steals did someone get.
with 2 steals isn't considered a two way guy
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:02 pm to molsusports
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there are certainly also times when durant has wanted the ball and westbrook has still played out of control
not many
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:08 pm to GynoSandberg
quote:WATCH THE GAMES!!!
I bet you blamed Lebron when he "couldn't win the big one".
But yeah, let's ignore Westbrook's shitty shot selection in the playoffs. His 42% from the field and 29% from 3 really speak for his performance offensively
But seriously, you should watch the games. As others have said, the past two playoffs Durant is very easily taken out of the game late. Vs Memphis Battier was able to do it. LeBron was able to do it last year. (Edit: I said very easily. I think I'm overstating. It can be done with the right defender.)
OKC's offensive scheme is kind of dumb in my opinion, and it's heavily reliant on Westbrook and Durant isolations. Opponents just out work Durant before he has the ball and it wastes time. If you back and watch any of the games in the Finals, you'll see a number of occasions where Westbrook has the ball at the top, and he's trying to pass it to Durant for 5-10 seconds. Finally, he says screw it with like 10 seconds on the clock and goes to some secondary offense, generally him driving and throwing up a lay up with a few seconds left. So was that play poor shot selection? Or was that a good decision since Durant wasn't able to get himself open?
As for LeBron, LeBron's my favorite player in the league, and it had nothing to do with him not being able to win the big one. And everything to do with his teammates not making the open shots he gave them (Dallas Finals excluded). The situations aren't comparable for the aforementioned reasons.
This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:17 pm to jturn17
Westbrook is widely considered one of the top perimeter defenders in the league
Posted on 4/10/13 at 10:20 pm to eumont
quote:Link me to an article or video of someone saying this.
Westbrook is widely considered one of the top perimeter defenders in the league
Edit: He's probably the 4th best perimeter defender on the team behind Sefolosha, Brewer, and Durant. No way he is "one of the top" in the league.
82games.com shows him as allowing his opponents to average a 15 PER. In no way is that elite, that's roughly what Harden allows, and no one would confuse him for an elite defender. An elite perimeter defender allows roughly between 10-13, and that's relatively standard across Igoudala, Tony Allen, Avery Bradley, etc. Obviously, this isn't an end all be all, but I've literally never heard anyone call him "one of the top" perimeter defenders, never seen him look like one, and the numbers don't support such a claim. Also, this is mostly just about on-ball defense. This doesn't include help defense, which again, never heard him being call elite there either, nor seen it.
This post was edited on 4/10/13 at 10:39 pm
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:39 pm to jturn17
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If you back and watch any of the games in the Finals, you'll see a number of occasions where Westbrook has the ball at the top, and he's trying to pass it to Durant for 5-10 seconds. Finally, he says screw it with like 10 seconds on the clock and goes to some secondary offense, generally him driving and throwing up a lay up with a few seconds left. So was that play poor shot selection? Or was that a good decision since Durant wasn't able to get himself open?
agreed. battier and lebron wore down durant, and he's shown a bad case of shying away late in big playoff games
hopefully he corrects his passivity, but until then the ONLY other option OKC has to initiate offense is westbrook. ibaka has developed a good complimentary offensive game, but he can't beat a defense 1-on-1. perkins, thabo, collison, etc are terrible creating offense.
so it's westbrook and durant, by design. if durant is being passive, westbrook has to go for it. durant is pretty much never denied the ball if he's open and calling for it
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:48 pm to SlowFlowPro
I'm placing more and more of the blame on Scott Brooks. Look at how the Heat are able to play recently with stars sitting out. They drive and kick and swing the ball around to open players. Or they do lots of back screens and whatnot. OKC should be able to get Durant the ball in situations other than post ups at the 3 point line. It's not always necessarily Durant being passive. Sometimes it's just him not being put in a situation where he can be successful. If he's not strong enough to hold position, then the team needs to make adjusts and run a different action for him to get touches.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
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durant is pretty much never denied the ball if he's open and calling for it
I just disagree on this perspective
Subjectively I agree that Durant did wilt a little (seemed too passive with Lebron guarding him) in last year's playoffs but my perspective is Westbrook also has a tendency just ignore other options (including Durant calling for the ball) at times when his competitive juices get going.
I'm not hating on Westbrook necessarily, I think he will continue to develop as a distributor... and I love that he's not afraid to have the ball in his hands.
Posted on 4/10/13 at 11:55 pm to SlowFlowPro
Westbrook is the truth. Anybody that says otherwise is a moron.
Posted on 4/11/13 at 1:34 am to AllBamaDoesIsWin
Terrible top 5 list
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