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re: Is Kobe Bryant a Top 10 All Time Great Player
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:11 pm to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:11 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:I'll take that as a concession considering what you just quoted.
Kobe has more ppg, boards and assis
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Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:17 pm to shel311
quote:
I'll take that as a concession considering what you just quoted.
just b/c wade had a better PER which has been brought up many times as a flawed stat and shot better from the field does not mean he had a better season
and ive always been a huge wade guy
This post was edited on 6/15/13 at 1:18 pm
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:17 pm to shel311
PER and offensive win shares are highly predicated on higher shooting percentages which is why they are shitty metrics. They don't measure a players offensive range at all. We've been over this. Wade has no range outside of 10 feet. Kobe can hit shots from all over the court. Wade doesn't open up anything for the Heat - Hell he's the only player from the 1-3 that can't hit a mid-long ranger on that team. Wade does nothing but drive to the lane and either finishes (or flops) or turns out to the left and tries a post up). That's been his game for 10 years now and he's done nothing to expound upon it.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:17 pm to DURANTULA
What was Kobe's total shooting percentage this season?
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:26 pm to DURANTULA
Dwyane Wade made 390 shots from within 10 feet this year out of a total of 569 makes (68.5%)
Kobe made 341 shots from within 10 feet this season out of a total of 738 makes (46.2%).
Kobe > Wade. There is no debate. Hell even the NBA voters say as much. Kobe was first team All-NBA while Wade was third team. Same thing as the 2011-2012 season.
But I'm sure your little metrics mean more than the actual play on the court, right? I'm sure you know more than former players and coaches right?
Kobe made 341 shots from within 10 feet this season out of a total of 738 makes (46.2%).
Kobe > Wade. There is no debate. Hell even the NBA voters say as much. Kobe was first team All-NBA while Wade was third team. Same thing as the 2011-2012 season.
But I'm sure your little metrics mean more than the actual play on the court, right? I'm sure you know more than former players and coaches right?
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:26 pm to StraightCashHomey21
quote:and the other 7 or 8 stats?
just b/c wade had a better PER which has been brought up many times as a flawed stat and shot better from the field does not mean he had a better season
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:26 pm to shel311
quote:
shel311
Are YOU saying Wade over Kobe. ALL-TIME????????????
If so . YOU ARE JUST STUPID..........
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:27 pm to dukke v
quote:
Are YOU saying Wade over Kobe. ALL-TIME????????????
If so . YOU ARE JUST STUPID..........
I don't think he is saying that at all.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:30 pm to dukke v
A cogent argument can be made that Wade's peak was better than Kobe's, although much shorter. Obviously Kobe has had the more accomplished career
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:31 pm to shel311
Hell if we go by PER then Brook Lopez is the 5th best player in the NBA and Andray Blatche is the 13th.
PER always has been and always will be a shite metric/stat. It only looks at box scores. That's it. Doesn't view anything else. Only stat sheets. Nothing in context, no taken into account external factors, no defensive measures, nothing. Just a shite box score measure adjust for one shite sportswriters personal preferences.
It's a stat for people who are too lazy to watch and comprehend NBA basketball players. It's a stat for people who don't believe in or understand intangibles. Really, it's just a stat for 8 year olds who don't know shite and nerds who don't understand the game.
PER always has been and always will be a shite metric/stat. It only looks at box scores. That's it. Doesn't view anything else. Only stat sheets. Nothing in context, no taken into account external factors, no defensive measures, nothing. Just a shite box score measure adjust for one shite sportswriters personal preferences.
It's a stat for people who are too lazy to watch and comprehend NBA basketball players. It's a stat for people who don't believe in or understand intangibles. Really, it's just a stat for 8 year olds who don't know shite and nerds who don't understand the game.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:31 pm to shel311
quote:
and the other 7 or 8 stats?
come on man, those are basically not relevant, major stats are what people compare. PPG, rebounds, steals,blocks and shooting %
If you have to dig down to 7 or 8 stats you are trying to hard
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:32 pm to DURANTULA
don't you ever get tired of making new accounts?
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:33 pm to DURANTULA
quote:
PER always has been and always will be a shite metric/stat.
It's actually been proven through studies to be the single most accurate basketball stat in existence in terms of predictive value. I'm sure the guy who created total shooting percentage is more knowledgeable than Hollinger though. You should start sending resumes out to NBA teams.
Hopefully the admins catch you again soon, cuz you're terrible son
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:33 pm to shel311
Shel, you are overlooking the games missed by Wade once again.
69 games of marginally more efficient wade with 34.7 mpg is not as meaningful as 78 games of Kobe with 38.6 mpg.
Wade is slightly more valuable per minute, but the game is not based on value per minute. Over the course of the season, Kobe's extra minutes make up the slight disadvantage in efficiency.
69 games of marginally more efficient wade with 34.7 mpg is not as meaningful as 78 games of Kobe with 38.6 mpg.
Wade is slightly more valuable per minute, but the game is not based on value per minute. Over the course of the season, Kobe's extra minutes make up the slight disadvantage in efficiency.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:34 pm to TulaneTigerFan
quote:
A cogent argument can be made that Wade's peak was better than Kobe's, although much shorter. Obviously Kobe has had the more accomplished career
Didn't they BOTH win titles with SHAQ while in their prime???? Kobe has won a title with much less than Wade..............
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:34 pm to molsusports
quote:
don't you ever get tired of making new accounts?
they should just let him post under his original
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:35 pm to RonBurgundy
He has said that before. It is his single worst basketball opinion. There is no way Wade had a better career than Kobe.
Peak arguments are so fricking subjective. Just look at the whole set of data.
Peak arguments are so fricking subjective. Just look at the whole set of data.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:36 pm to TulaneTigerFan
PER is not the best basketball out there by any means. It's cute that you think that other math geeks circle-jerking over other math geeks stats means that it actually matters though.
There's a reason why Hollinger isn't employed by any GM. His measures suck. They always have and always will.
There's a reason why Hollinger isn't employed by any GM. His measures suck. They always have and always will.
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:36 pm to DURANTULA
You do realize Hollinger works for the Grizz?
Posted on 6/15/13 at 1:37 pm to DURANTULA
Can you explain total shooting percentage again, you stat guru you?
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