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re: Incredible Stat- Greg Maddux

Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:25 am to
Posted by Elleshoe
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:25 am to
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But Pedro was flat-out dominate in the most offensive era in baseball history.




one of my biggest pet peeves occurred in this sentence.
Posted by eyeran
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:25 am to
Pedro at the all star game in Fenway; height of the steroid era. Gross

There was more juice in that NL lineup than Welchs and he embarrassed them.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 12:27 am
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:26 am to
Koufax won three pitcher's triple crowns in 4 seasons. Pedro did it once is in his career.

Koufax had a short career, but his accomplishments in terms of both statistics and awards will never be matched.
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:30 am to
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Koufax won three pitcher's triple crowns in 4 seasons. Pedro did it once is in his career.


well, wins are pretty much a totally useless stat for a pitcher.
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:32 am to
He also pitched 4 no-hitters, including a perfect game, in less than 4 seasons. Has anyone else come close to a better peak?
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:34 am to
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He also pitched 4 no-hitters, including a perfect game, in less than 4 seasons. Has anyone else come close to a better peak?



again, i don't have a certain answer, but that does nothing to convince me. nolan ryan threw a ton of no hitters and he is assuredly not the greatest pitcher ever.
Posted by SohCahToa
New Orleans, La
Member since Jan 2011
7786 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:40 am to
Not a big baseball fan, but I do know that Randy Johnson in his prime was one of the most dominating pitchers I've watched.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:40 am to
Pedro > Koufax.

Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62244 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:42 am to
A chimp's knowledge of baseball > Yours
Posted by shuke33
Under The Bridge
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:46 am to
His 1995 season is my favorite to use on WhatIfSports.
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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40723 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:46 am to
Damn, you burned me good.
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:46 am to
All i have to say for Pedro is in 1999: 13.20 K/9, 1.56 BB/9

Koufax has some great seasons, but he never came that close to matching that. Plus Pedro played in a much worse pitcher's environment (I would assume at least, I haven't researched this.)
Posted by OBUDan
Chicago
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Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:59 am to
2.5 minutes of googling would answer sufficient research.

Koufax pitched in Dead Ball 2.0.

Pedro pitched in hitter-friendly Fenway in the most prolific offensive period in baseball history.
Posted by The Seaward
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2006
11514 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:01 am to
I would like to take your word for it, but I will wait for the chimp to confirm.
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
Member since Dec 2011
19213 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:14 am to
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The era of Mantle, DiMaggio, and Ted Williams


The 1963 NL average for runs per game were 3.81
The 2000 AL average for runs per game were 5.30
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62244 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:14 am to
What about K's per game? Walks per game?

Genuinely curious.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 1:15 am
Posted by genro
Member since Nov 2011
62244 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:21 am to
If Koufax's era of hitting was so bad, and that discredits his amazing statistics, wouldn't there have been other pitchers at that time doing similar things? He was still head and shoulders above everyone else.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 1:22 am
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
60136 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:55 am to
This thread derailed and missed a valuable point: Maddux > Pedro
Posted by LSUAce007
Member since Feb 2007
9882 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 2:09 am to
quote:

But Pedro was flat-out dominate in the most offensive era in baseball history.



one of my biggest pet peeves occurred in this sentence.




Same here
DominANT...DominANT!
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
24474 posts
Posted on 8/3/12 at 2:12 am to
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Pedro > Koufax.




have spoken with many people in the game who were around for both eras and it's been nearly unanimous that what Pedro did was more impressive.

It's not a slight on Koufax at all. It's just simply taking the state of the game in their respective eras into consideration.

I cannot even imagine how difficult it was to pitch in Fenway during the steroid era. It's a nightmare as is.
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