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re: Incredible Stat- Greg Maddux
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:25 am to The Seaward
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:25 am to The Seaward
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But Pedro was flat-out dominate in the most offensive era in baseball history.
one of my biggest pet peeves occurred in this sentence.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:25 am to The Seaward
Pedro at the all star game in Fenway; height of the steroid era. Gross
There was more juice in that NL lineup than Welchs and he embarrassed them.
There was more juice in that NL lineup than Welchs and he embarrassed them.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 12:27 am
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:26 am to The Seaward
Koufax won three pitcher's triple crowns in 4 seasons. Pedro did it once is in his career.
Koufax had a short career, but his accomplishments in terms of both statistics and awards will never be matched.
Koufax had a short career, but his accomplishments in terms of both statistics and awards will never be matched.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:30 am to genro
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Koufax won three pitcher's triple crowns in 4 seasons. Pedro did it once is in his career.
well, wins are pretty much a totally useless stat for a pitcher.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:32 am to The Seaward
He also pitched 4 no-hitters, including a perfect game, in less than 4 seasons. Has anyone else come close to a better peak?
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:34 am to genro
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He also pitched 4 no-hitters, including a perfect game, in less than 4 seasons. Has anyone else come close to a better peak?
again, i don't have a certain answer, but that does nothing to convince me. nolan ryan threw a ton of no hitters and he is assuredly not the greatest pitcher ever.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:40 am to The Seaward
Not a big baseball fan, but I do know that Randy Johnson in his prime was one of the most dominating pitchers I've watched.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:42 am to OBUDan
A chimp's knowledge of baseball > Yours
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:46 am to PortCityTiger24
His 1995 season is my favorite to use on WhatIfSports.

Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:46 am to genro
All i have to say for Pedro is in 1999: 13.20 K/9, 1.56 BB/9
Koufax has some great seasons, but he never came that close to matching that. Plus Pedro played in a much worse pitcher's environment (I would assume at least, I haven't researched this.)
Koufax has some great seasons, but he never came that close to matching that. Plus Pedro played in a much worse pitcher's environment (I would assume at least, I haven't researched this.)
Posted on 8/3/12 at 12:59 am to The Seaward
2.5 minutes of googling would answer sufficient research.
Koufax pitched in Dead Ball 2.0.
Pedro pitched in hitter-friendly Fenway in the most prolific offensive period in baseball history.
Koufax pitched in Dead Ball 2.0.
Pedro pitched in hitter-friendly Fenway in the most prolific offensive period in baseball history.
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:01 am to OBUDan
I would like to take your word for it, but I will wait for the chimp to confirm. 
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:14 am to genro
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The era of Mantle, DiMaggio, and Ted Williams
The 1963 NL average for runs per game were 3.81
The 2000 AL average for runs per game were 5.30
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:14 am to VerlanderBEAST
What about K's per game? Walks per game?
Genuinely curious.
Genuinely curious.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 1:15 am
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:21 am to OBUDan
If Koufax's era of hitting was so bad, and that discredits his amazing statistics, wouldn't there have been other pitchers at that time doing similar things? He was still head and shoulders above everyone else.
This post was edited on 8/3/12 at 1:22 am
Posted on 8/3/12 at 1:55 am to TigerLicks
This thread derailed and missed a valuable point: Maddux > Pedro
Posted on 8/3/12 at 2:09 am to Elleshoe
quote:
But Pedro was flat-out dominate in the most offensive era in baseball history.
one of my biggest pet peeves occurred in this sentence.![]()
Same here
DominANT...DominANT!
Posted on 8/3/12 at 2:12 am to OBUDan
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Pedro > Koufax.
have spoken with many people in the game who were around for both eras and it's been nearly unanimous that what Pedro did was more impressive.
It's not a slight on Koufax at all. It's just simply taking the state of the game in their respective eras into consideration.
I cannot even imagine how difficult it was to pitch in Fenway during the steroid era. It's a nightmare as is.
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