re: Imagine if a good player in the 80s/90s get teleported into todays time and starts playing

He played 20 games during one season. You didn’t even know this and your assertion that the entire league followed this guys ball handling is absurd as his turnover% was through the roof when he did play. Using these false statements to justify your claim that everyone was allowed to carry the ball just proves your entire theoretical claims, because you don’t actually know the facts, are all make believe. As far as Shamgod “teaching Kobe how to dribble” is also asinine being that Kobe was in the NBA before Shamgod proving once again your takes aren’t based on fact and are just things you think up but have very little to no facts behind them.

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He played 20 games during one season

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Cool. Go back to the original post replied to an you'll see this is irrelevant.

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and your assertion that the entire league followed this guys ball handling is absurd

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He was well known as the best ballhandler in the league at that time.

He wasn't very good at other stuff, but he's a ballhandling legend.

Here is a 2011 RealGM thread disucssing if he's the GOAT

A real basketball fan would know this. I don't know why you don't.

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As far as Shamgod “teaching Kobe how to dribble” is also asinine being that Kobe was in the NBA before Shamgod

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Holy shite this is next level dumb, even for you.

Did Kobe start playing basketball as a rookie in the NBA?

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your takes aren’t based on fact

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I literally posted a Link to this well-known story that you, again, apparently didn't know about in this epic NBA fandom from the era you claim to love.

First off your links are comical, the first one is factually incorrect from the get go. Kobe and Shammgod were not born the same year, Kobe is two years younger. Secondly you’re using an anecdote, not even anecdotal evidence, from a bunch of guys shooting the shite. It would be like saying All The Smoke is a news podcast. Using that as factual evidence again proves you’re working backwards from an invented narrative looking for little tid bits to prove you’re right instead of letting facts lead you to the truth. You’re also using a fan discussion board 20 years after the fact to make a claim that is 100% false. Again you didn’t witness this era so you don’t know that 0 people were claiming Shammgod was the best ball handler in the NBA based on the 149 total minutes of his 20 game career. The very idea that you’re trying to push this proves how delusional you are. Lastly claiming that because Shammgod and Kobe worked out together and shared tips means that Shammgod “taught Kobe how to dribble” is more of the same BS. It’s like saying because Kareem and Bill Walton worked with Shaq that Shaq’s post game was developed by those two when in reality their games are nothing alike and all they did was help him with some footwork stuff.

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The argument of the players are bigger, faster and stronger in the NBA is false. Wilt Chamberlain is a much more intimidating player than Skinny Wemby. He was also a better all around athlete.

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Citing one example of what is widely considered to be one of the greatest all around athletes of all time does nothing to prove your point. Would top 5 all time players who were decades beyond their peers in terms of their physical attributes be successful today? Yes.

Would Wilt average 30 and 23 No. Wilt also isn't playing 45 minutes a night for 82 games against modern players. Wilt played in an era where centers were roughly 6'9 225. The average center today is about 6'11 246. They're also significantly more athletic than they used to be. Most importantly, the vast majority of big men can stretch the floor well past the three point line.

(inteligent) people are not arguing that Larry Bird or Michael Jordan or Kareem would be bad in the 2024 NBA. They would, however, be less effective than they were in their era. It's the average players that would have a very hard time making a modern day roster.

Also, everyone bitching about how everything is a flagrant foul in the NBA today as opposed to "good hard fouls" in the 80s and 90s. Since the 2017-2018 season, no one in the NBA has committed more than 5 flagrant fouls in a season.

Also also, the NBA didn't even have a defensive three second rule until 2001 when they legalized zone defense. That makes a MASSIVE difference in how effective defensive minded bigs were/are.

In 2024 the average NBA center is 6-9. The peak average NBA height was 1987 at over 6-7 and remained roughly that height until 2019 when it began to decrease to now where it’s 6-6.

Thanks for giving a perfect example of what I was saying. Lester is wrong and you don’t know any better but what he says would favor your narrative so you automatically believe it.

Shamgod went to college and you’re confused about the point. The HS influx didn’t happen in the mid 90s. There were 3 HS players drafted from 94-96 compared to 36 over the next 7-8 years which is the era I was talking about. So like I said the HS influx happened after 1997, late 90s to mid 2000s.

Dan Marino would break every record

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Lets say a good player today gets moved back to the 80s/90s….could todays player handle the way the game was played back then?…could they handle a rougher style of coaching?…could they handle having to play most of the season?

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Could they play without carrying the ball every time they touch it?

Football? They would be ejected pretty quickly due to today's glorified flag football rules.