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re: I'm an NFL owner. You be the player.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:26 pm to mes1100
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:26 pm to mes1100
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a lot of people today would play for peanuts. we would still watch. it wouldnt be the same, but we would watch. my guess is that it wouldnt be long before the quality returned
you're missing the mark here.
NFL players don't come out of the womb demanding more money. They come to learn that they're worth it because of how much money they bring in.
So you bring in scrubs off the street, make them superstars (not happening but i'll go with it) and eventually they're gonna want massive salaries.
The 'people would play for peanuts' argument is flat out nonsense.
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Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:26 pm to mes1100
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a lot of people today would play for peanuts. we would still watch. it wouldnt be the same, but we would watch.
No we wouldn't. We would watch NFL network for old games.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:27 pm to TROLA
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rms of there desire to fix some fundamental mistakes from the last CBA
Dont take this personal but I doubt you have enough familiarity with how the NFL CBA works or intelligence to understand it, to determine if there are "fundamental mistakes"
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:27 pm to mes1100
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its their product. deal with it or go play somewhere else. someone else will take your spot. clearly you are a worker bee and have never owned anything.
wow
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:28 pm to ProjectP2294
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the NFL has done a good job of making their product such that it can be enjoyed in such an easy way.
i agree, and i would argue the general nature of the game makes it easier to appeal to a broader number of people. especially moreso than the mlb or nba. Thus, if the big names dropped out of the game, new names would take their place and not much would change in the "eye of the fan"
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:30 pm to mes1100
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a great rb this year, aint shite next year. guess what, we find another to love.
do you know how long a year or two is in these terms?
That's a year of unwatched games and commercials, unsold seats, and unpurchased merchandise. That doesn't just affect this year, it trickles down into future years because ad revenue is based off of previous seasons.
So half the patriots decide to not play this year, the revenue lost would be a very large number.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:30 pm to LfcSU3520
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So you bring in scrubs off the street, make them superstars (not happening but i'll go with it) and eventually they're gonna want massive salaries.
to the owners...."rinse and repeat"
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:32 pm to mes1100
your view in this is so simplistic and off base. Just think about the affect that one superstar player can have on a city and fans. Now remove them league wide- every few years.
You need to loosen your stance here and look big picture.
You need to loosen your stance here and look big picture.
This post was edited on 3/11/11 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:32 pm to mes1100
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Thus, if the big names dropped out of the game, new names would take their place and not much would change in the "eye of the fan"
Maybe the stupid ones. Any others would be able to tell the difference between say Chris Johnson and Justin Vincent.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:33 pm to LfcSU3520
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That's a year of unwatched games and commercials, unsold seats, and unpurchased merchandise. That doesn't just affect this year, it trickles down into future years because ad revenue is based off of previous seasons.
i completely agree, any form of work stopage hinders the product. my argument is that the leverage lies with the owners. there are billions of dollars at play here. i'm just saying the players have substantially more to lose. and its not even close
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:33 pm to jacks40
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Dont take this personal but I doubt you have enough familiarity with how the NFL CBA works or intelligence to understand it, to determine if there are "fundamental mistakes"
Enlighten me Francis..because I have read enough about the past cba to understand more than most. I have also read the players union agreement upon entry into the NFL. The relaity is taglibue was retiring and everyone knew when the CBA was signed that it was a short term fix to a growing problem of servicing a spiraling debt load.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:33 pm to LfcSU3520
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do you know how long a year or two is in these terms?
for the Packers, a year = $242mm in revenue
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$48mm off gate receipts.
There is no way there would $48mm worth of luxury boxes, PSLs, and tickets sold with players at or below the level of Canadian and Arena ball.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:34 pm to saintsfan22
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Not really it's a retarded case scenario. The owner's aren't going to freeze out stars and reorganize the league with undrafted players and backups and in the process lose themselves billions of dollars in tv contract money, advertising money, ticket sales, jersey sales, etc.
You are assuming that:
1. No players will leave the union and play.
2. New stars won't emerge. In August of 2001, Tom Brady was a nobody. Before Trent Green got hurt, Kurt Warner was a nobody. There are already potential stars sitting on benches and in smaller leagues just waiting for their chance to prove themselves. If the current crop doesn't want to be the stars anymore, there are players that will gladly take that limelight and run with it.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:35 pm to LfcSU3520
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You need to loosen your stance here and look big picture.
i see the big picture. this needs to be worked out or we all lose. everyone.
i'm just saying the players need to realize they are not as important as they may think. yes, i side with the billionaires over the millionaires.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:35 pm to mes1100
What's to stop the players from forming their own league? They have the product, why not just form your own 32 team league called the Continental Football League and divide all profits amongst the players?
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:35 pm to GamecockAlum
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You are assuming that:
1. No players will leave the union and play.
If there is a lockout, the players don't have this option. They could go to the UFL or the Canadian league, but they could not leave the union and play in the NFL. That could only happen with a strike.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:36 pm to GamecockAlum
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1. No players will leave the union and play.
There is no union right know.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:37 pm to mes1100
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its their product. deal with it or go play somewhere else. someone else will take your spot. clearly you are a worker bee and have never owned anything.
You would be the worst business owner ever.
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clearly you are a worker bee and have never owned anything.
your plan would work great with a snowball stand, not so much something where actual skill is required.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:37 pm to JG77056
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What's to stop the players from forming their own league?
Inexperience from the management side of that. They would just end up being taken advantage of by someone else and the cycle would repeat.
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:38 pm to JG77056
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What's to stop the players from forming their own league? They have the product, why not just form your own 32 team league called the Continental Football League and divide all profits amongst the players?
keep in mind there's probably tons of rich investors around the country who would be willing to get their hands on something like this.
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