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re: I'm an NFL owner. You be the player.

Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:01 pm to
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
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Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:01 pm to
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oh my god.

the owners didnt become owners by being tards.

there are other forms of income.

That doesn't mean they're just willing to lose a shite ton of money. Rich guys don't get to be rich by just forfeiting hundreds of millions of dollars.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14407 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:02 pm to
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so, what do you think the odds are of the majority of the union playing outside the union, or "replacement players" in a sense making the league functioning properly again....as u put it.


Functioning properly at the level the fans and advertisers are accustomed to is 100%.

The decertification process is long and the courts move much slower than people will realize. The reality is the chances are strong for a few games being missed next year. What I don't fully understand is whether the process can be solved with players willing to break ranks. The lockout will most likely be stayed by judge doty..but what does that really mean. They say that this will allow free agents to sign but what will the process be in terms of playing games.. While there is speculation on all this I'm of the opinion that nobody really knows.
Posted by bigjuice56
Ponchatoula, LA
Member since Mar 2009
1136 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:02 pm to
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t's my team. I own it. Here is what I pay you. If you don't like it, go play somewhere else.


Except for the fact your team wouldn't be worth anything if not for the players. The NFL isn't a typical employer-employee business, the CBA pretty much made it a partnership between the players and owners.
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
24474 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:04 pm to
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Yes, because you can so easily replace franchise QBs like Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Ben Roethlisberger, etc., with any scrub straight out of D-I...


exactly.

Quite simply if players like this sat out and held strong the pressure on the owners would become immense. So others that needed money could break the lines and fans would still be clamoring for Peyton. They don't get to watch their superstars play, they start to vote with their wallet.

Brady and Manning aren't playing in the Colts/NE game and ratings go way down. NFL then loses money.



Posted by mes1100
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:05 pm to
this years draft will have hundreds of guys that wouldnt make it. as was last years, or next years.

add those guys with the thousand or so of current nfl players who arent as well off as drew or peyton, and you have yourself a league.

will the quality be the same?

no.

not at first.

But it will get there.

I promise you. if there was noone else around to pay haynesworth 100 mill., he's gonna find the next best offer.
Posted by mes1100
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:08 pm to
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What I don't fully understand is whether the process can be solved with players willing to break ranks


there are 2 thousand plus players. there are 32 owners.

a 3 yr, 13 million dollar contract doesnt go far at all. at all.

those guys need money.

they are gonna play where they can get it.
This post was edited on 3/11/11 at 10:09 pm
Posted by LfcSU3520
Arizona
Member since Dec 2003
24474 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:08 pm to
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But it will get there.


and in that span you don't think the league would take a PR hit that could possibly paralyze it?

After years and years of steady growth in revenue and popularity, subtracting stars could be a horrible move for the NFL. Maybe in 5-6 years things would return to normal but at that point the revenue losses would be massive.

This is all worst case scenario anyways
Posted by mes1100
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:12 pm to
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and in that span you don't think the league would take a PR hit that could possibly paralyze it?


extremely legitamite question. really the only question.

my answer.

no, not really.

like i said before. there is a reason high school, and college football far surpasses its counterparts of baseball or basketball. we love the sport. i think the sport is more important than the players. we will find new players to worship.

a great rb this year, aint shite next year. guess what, we find another to love.
Posted by saintsfan22
baton rouge
Member since May 2006
78587 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:14 pm to
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This is all worst case scenario anyways


Not really it's a retarded case scenario. The owner's aren't going to freeze out stars and reorganize the league with undrafted players and backups and in the process lose themselves billions of dollars in tv contract money, advertising money, ticket sales, jersey sales, etc.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14407 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:15 pm to
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those guys need money.

they are gonna play where they can get it.


No doubt in my mind that the players will break first if it gets that far.. The owners have an asset to borrow against, other business interests and wealth where the players have.....a 70% bankruptcy rate 5 years after retirement.
This post was edited on 3/11/11 at 10:16 pm
Posted by mes1100
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:15 pm to
they might if players continue to ask for unreasonable (in the owners minds) demands
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75886 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:16 pm to
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like i said before. there is a reason high school, and college football far surpasses its counterparts of baseball or basketball. we love the sport.


I think it has more to do with economy of attention as to why football has surpassed basketball and baseball.
Posted by mes1100
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:17 pm to
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.....a 70% bankruptcy rate 5 years after retirement.


25% of the owners survive this.

i just feel the nfl holds strong. the nflpa breaks. they'll get something, but the owners ultimately get what they want. but what do i know....nothing. jmho
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14407 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:18 pm to
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and in that span you don't think the league would take a PR hit that could possibly paralyze it?


The owners went into this knowing full well they would never win the PR war..that should tell you everything in terms of there desire to fix some fundamental mistakes from the last CBA
Posted by mes1100
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:18 pm to
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economy of attention


explain this
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51327 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:18 pm to
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not at first.

But it will get there.

I promise you. if there was noone else around to pay haynesworth 100 mill., he's gonna find the next best offer.



yea then those guys will do the same thing as the other players once they become stars and have leverage. You can't think of this like normal business. A very very very small % of the population can do this job.
Posted by mes1100
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:21 pm to
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A very very very small % of the population can do this job.


true.

but a large % wants to play.

a lot of people today would play for peanuts. we would still watch. it wouldnt be the same, but we would watch. my guess is that it wouldnt be long before the quality returned
Posted by barry
Location, Location, Location
Member since Aug 2006
51327 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:23 pm to
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. my guess is that it wouldnt be long before the quality returned



And they same shite would happen again. I don't think you understand, this will always happen because of the nature of the sport. This isn't a fricking autoworkers union. The NFL owners would be the biggest bunch of dumbasses to ruin this. They are all just printing money.
This post was edited on 3/11/11 at 10:25 pm
Posted by ProjectP2294
South St. Louis city
Member since May 2007
75886 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:24 pm to
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explain this

it's easier to be a fan of football. Especially the NFL. 95% of your attention towards it can be focused on one day that most people don't normally work anyway. People with otherwise hectic, busy lives can spare 3 hours on a Sunday to watch their favorite team.

It's tougher to be an avid fan of a MLB or NBA team and keep up with the day to day stuff or watch every game. And when you aren't a fan of any particular team, you won't watch the entire sport as often.

With so many things pulling people's attention so many different ways these days, the NFL has done a good job of making their product such that it can be enjoyed in such an easy way.

The caveat to this is that it doesn't necessarily apply to people who post on this board. It's more broad based. The people on this board are not an accurate representation of the sports consuming public.
Posted by mes1100
baton rouge
Member since Nov 2007
3349 posts
Posted on 3/11/11 at 10:25 pm to
its their product. deal with it or go play somewhere else. someone else will take your spot. clearly you are a worker bee and have never owned anything.
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