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re: I'm an NFL owner. You be the player.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 12:05 pm to mes1100
Posted on 3/12/11 at 12:05 pm to mes1100
I agree. The owners take all the financial risk. All except the Packers are a private business. They don't have to open any books.
The problem is that this economy is bad. A lot of private business have had to make sacrifices in employee numbers and employee pay. I have had to take a pay cut and now the players should too. Owners are in business to make money.
The problem is, the old NFLPA rep Gene Upshaw has always told players never to give anything back. That is crazy. Economics dictates salary and benefits. And now w/ almost 4 dollar gas, inflation in food and commodities prices and higher cost all around, something has to give.
Owners are not in this business to break even or loose money. As long as fans will still pay obscene game prices for tickets, parking, and concessions, the league will be profitable. However, in cases like this, something is going to have to give and players are the biggest asset and expense for each team. Therefore, players will have to take a little less in my opinion.
The problem is that this economy is bad. A lot of private business have had to make sacrifices in employee numbers and employee pay. I have had to take a pay cut and now the players should too. Owners are in business to make money.
The problem is, the old NFLPA rep Gene Upshaw has always told players never to give anything back. That is crazy. Economics dictates salary and benefits. And now w/ almost 4 dollar gas, inflation in food and commodities prices and higher cost all around, something has to give.
Owners are not in this business to break even or loose money. As long as fans will still pay obscene game prices for tickets, parking, and concessions, the league will be profitable. However, in cases like this, something is going to have to give and players are the biggest asset and expense for each team. Therefore, players will have to take a little less in my opinion.
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Posted on 3/12/11 at 12:11 pm to LSUinHouston
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Nothing, the players are just saying, as a group "Have fun making money without us! I'm sure 80k will show up and 10 million tune in to see Tom Benson throw passes to Jerry Jones"
It would be equally funny to see the players try to organize some games on their own.
"Go sling around the football and shite and don't get anybody to help you line up the TV or get the facilities or provide the management or any of the other support you get."
That would be like a bunch of assembly line flunkies thinking they could do a better job running Ford Motor Company.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 12:17 pm to gthog61
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It would be equally funny to see the players try to organize some games on their own.
"Go sling around the football and shite and don't get anybody to help you line up the TV
Except they wouldn't have to do it on their own people like Mark Cuban and Donald Trump would bend over backwards to set up a new football league with all the NFL's players.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 12:17 pm to LSUinHouston
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The owners take all the financial risk. All except the Packers are a private business. They don't have to open any books.
The problem is that this economy is bad. A lot of private business have had to make sacrifices in employee numbers and employee pay. I have had to take a pay cut and now the players should too. Owners are in business to make money.
If the owners won't show the players that their profits are down why should they believe them? Would you trust Al Davis, Jerry Jones, Dan Synder, ...?
Posted on 3/12/11 at 1:43 pm to LSUinHouston
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The problem is that this economy is bad. A lot of private business have had to make sacrifices in employee numbers and employee pay. I have had to take a pay cut and now the players should too. Owners are in business to make money.
Yet the NFL has brought in record profits the past few years.
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Economics dictates salary and benefits. And now w/ almost 4 dollar gas, inflation in food and commodities prices and higher cost all around, something has to give.
What does 4 dollar gas and food prices have to do with the NFL and the business of football?
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Owners are not in this business to break even or loose money. As long as fans will still pay obscene game prices for tickets, parking, and concessions, the league will be profitable. However, in cases like this, something is going to have to give and players are the biggest asset and expense for each team. Therefore, players will have to take a little less in my opinion.
The NFL is not going through hard times. Most of their revenue comes from TV deals, not tickets or concessions. The NFL has been bringing in record amounts of revenue despite the economy over the past few years. Therefore, your argument holds no water.
This post was edited on 3/12/11 at 1:46 pm
Posted on 3/12/11 at 1:55 pm to mes1100
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It's my team. I own it. Here is what I pay you. If you don't like it, go play somewhere else.
What is wrong with this mindframe?
Nothing, try asking any other boss to show you his books, no one forced them to play FB.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 1:56 pm to grif82
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What does 4 dollar gas and food prices have to do with the NFL and the business of football?
Transportation costs and food prices could lower revenues and increase expenses, idk if this has happened in reality though.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 2:07 pm to Esarhaddon
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Transportation costs and food prices could lower revenues and increase expenses, idk if this has happened in reality though.
Revenue is revenue and the NFL has been pretty much immune to the economy when it comes to revenue.
Transportation cost is a mere drop in the bucket when it comes to overall teams expenses. The difference in $2.50 gas vs $4.00 gas or whatever jet fuel cost isn't going to bankrupt or put strain on any owners. The rise in food prices are passed on to the fans that attend games. The fans still by beer and nachos at $7 or $8 a pop. The demand for concessions at inflated prices is and always has been there. The owners are not the one's who take the hit.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 4:17 pm to LSUinHouston
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I agree. The owners take all the financial risk. All except the Packers are a private business. They don't have to open any books.
The problem is that this economy is bad. A lot of private business have had to make sacrifices in employee numbers and employee pay. I have had to take a pay cut and now the players should too. Owners are in business to make money.
The NFL is having record setting revenues,a nd the players are just supposed to take the owners' word for it that they're losing money or something?
No way.
Posted on 3/12/11 at 4:19 pm to Esarhaddon
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Transportation costs and food prices could lower revenues and increase expenses, idk if this has happened in reality though.
I guess it could, but without opening the books, the NFLPA has no way of knowing that, now do they?
Posted on 3/12/11 at 5:25 pm to shel311
Simple philosophy: It's easier to never give someone something than it is to give it to them and then try to take it away. Surprisingly, it's the players that seem to better understand this.
The revenue sharing agreed to in 2006 had a nearly 50-50 split when it was signed, but it shouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure out that future increases in revenue would tilt the split in the players' favor. So I don't feel bad for the owners signing a "bad deal." You set the status quo that the players have become accustomed to, and they are going to fight like hell to keep it just like it is.
And the players know just rolling over and giving in to the owners' demands will set a horrible precedent that would haunt them at the expiration of future CBAs. They give in now, what's to stop the owners from asking for more in the future? Where would it end?
The revenue sharing agreed to in 2006 had a nearly 50-50 split when it was signed, but it shouldn't have taken a rocket scientist to figure out that future increases in revenue would tilt the split in the players' favor. So I don't feel bad for the owners signing a "bad deal." You set the status quo that the players have become accustomed to, and they are going to fight like hell to keep it just like it is.
And the players know just rolling over and giving in to the owners' demands will set a horrible precedent that would haunt them at the expiration of future CBAs. They give in now, what's to stop the owners from asking for more in the future? Where would it end?
Posted on 3/12/11 at 10:49 pm to grif82
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Most of their revenue comes from TV deals, not tickets or concessions.
This isn't entirely true.
Teams make a shitload of money from tickets alone. Think about how high fan cost indexes are. Those are when factoring in the cheapest seats. Now imagine how much better seats cost. Imagine how much lower level, club seats and ultimately suites cost. That's not even factoring in money from parking, concessions, and merchandise sold at the stadium. Then you toss in naming rights and other local marketing deals. TV does provide the biggest share of the money, but it doesn't make nearly as big of the pie as people think it does.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 10:23 am to GamecockAlum
I'm the owner, your the employee ,if the millions I paying is not enough. Go get a real job or go buy your own team. None of the players think about all the jobs like ground crew,concession stand workers,and ect. that also lose their jobs. Granted some of these jobs might be second jobs but, none the less it still income. The owners our the ones taking all the risk money wise. Even my small construction business. I not entitled
to give my employees more money every time I make a little more. If I give somebody a bid to build a and I start to lose money for some reason my employees still want their pay check. So there for players have no risk they all sign contracts a lot of the money is garanteed. For as personal
well being. Everybody Knows football is a violet game, nobody is making you play. When it all said and done the fans get short end of the stick. The same ones that pay high prices for autographs, tickets,parking, concession,and ect.
to give my employees more money every time I make a little more. If I give somebody a bid to build a and I start to lose money for some reason my employees still want their pay check. So there for players have no risk they all sign contracts a lot of the money is garanteed. For as personal
well being. Everybody Knows football is a violet game, nobody is making you play. When it all said and done the fans get short end of the stick. The same ones that pay high prices for autographs, tickets,parking, concession,and ect.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 10:25 am to Esarhaddon
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Nothing, try asking any other boss to show you his books, no one forced them to play FB.
+1
Posted on 3/13/11 at 10:42 am to CT09
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I'm the owner, your the employee
For the love of God, get this fact through your skull- the NFL has a collective bargaining agreement that includes revenue sharing between the owners and the players. This is not your typical employee-employer relationship, this is a partnership where both sides have a vested interest to continue to increase revenues. If revenues decrease, guess what else goes down. The salary cap, which means players are going to have to re-structure contracts or be cut outright.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 12:17 pm to bigjuice56
Without the Owners, there is no NFL. The Owners are the bosses. They have other revenue sources and they will ultimately be fine. Without the NFL what will these players do? Sure some of them aren't complete retards, but for every guy who manages his money well, there is a dumbass who is broke as dirt 10 years out of the league.
The players need to realize that no matter what their ego tells them, no matter what their waterhead union leader tells them, no matter how many talking heads in the media and general public tell them that they are "partners", they are still the subordinates. They need a big reality check and need to realize that they have been replaced before, and they can be replaced again.
The players need to realize that no matter what their ego tells them, no matter what their waterhead union leader tells them, no matter how many talking heads in the media and general public tell them that they are "partners", they are still the subordinates. They need a big reality check and need to realize that they have been replaced before, and they can be replaced again.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 12:28 pm to bigjuice56
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Except for the fact your team wouldn't be worth anything if not for the players. The NFL isn't a typical employer-employee business, the CBA pretty much made it a partnership between the players and owners.
most businesses wouldn't be worth a shite without their employees. i can't think of many fortune 500 jobs where the owner does any of the actual work
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:10 pm to mes1100
Union league.
its time.
its time.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 1:28 pm to GamecockAlum
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Without the Owners, there is no NFL
I think the Packers have proven an NFL franchise can be successful without a Mr. Moneybags like Jerry Jones or Daniel Snyder.
I'm not saying either side is "right." Regardless of what anyone in this thread thinks, neither side can be successful without the other. They can point fingers at each other all they want, all they are doing is damaging a product they both have a vested interest in.
Posted on 3/13/11 at 2:15 pm to GamecockAlum
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They need a big reality check and need to realize that they have been replaced before, and they can be replaced again.
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