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re: I'll take peak Curry over peak Lebron

Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:15 pm to
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:15 pm to
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I grew up a little over 2 hours from Cleveland
Where are you from?
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:21 pm to
Lakeland, Florida. I'm kicking it in St. Pete now.
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:22 pm to
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So then you clearly see that having more skills makes a player more valuable. I agree with this, but I think it's contradicting your argument even more.


No it doesn't...you seem to think that all skills are created equal. I disagree with that.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:28 pm to
I forgot to ask. Is this a draft of any player ever at any given time during their peak? And given this situation, you'd take prime Curry over prime Lebron?

Because if you're starting a team, you'd be shot by your owner if you took Curry before Lebron. If you have no idea what the rest f your team is, how the shite could you take Curry over him?
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:31 pm to
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I grew up a little over 2 hours from Cleveland.


My condolences.



I have a lot of hate within my heart for all things ohio. Blame my mother
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:41 pm to
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No it doesn't...you seem to think that all skills are created equal. I disagree with that.
I never said they were "equal," but they have value. A few more rebounds and a block or two every 100 possessions will have a positive impact that can't be disregarded. They have a more tangible impact than a mythical construct like "momentum."

Even then, to casually dismiss defense, which is half the game of basketball, is just nonsensical.

It seems more like your arguing why you enjoy watching Steph more, but to argue that you would choose a lesser player, doesn't make sense.

I mean if you were a GM, and your job depended on it, would you choose the better player?
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:43 pm to
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I have a lot of hate within my heart for all things ohio. Blame my mother
And your hate palpable in this thread. Disappointing.
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35374 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:43 pm to
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Lakeland, Florida. I'm kicking it in St. Pete now.
I posted that before I saw the flight comments.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
89118 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:47 pm to
I figured Spur too
Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
35374 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:55 pm to
And using your logic, you would probably have to take Curry over MJ too, or at least it would be pretty much a toss-up.

I mean you've dismissed defense, which LeBron and MJ both excelled at. Rebounding is also irrelevant (although LeBron's better). LeBron's a better passer so that can't have any bearing. Ball handling is a toss-up if not an advantage for Lebron.

And Steph's greatest strength, his shooting, specifically his long range shooting is also an area where LeBron is better than MJ.

Would you also choose Steph over MJ?
This post was edited on 5/31/16 at 4:57 pm
Posted by PortCityTiger24
Member since Dec 2006
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 4:57 pm to
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I never said they were "equal," but they have value.


Thanks for clearing that up, mate...I don't think we need to argue this though.

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A few more rebounds and a block or two every 100 possessions will have a positive impact that can't be disregarded.


There's a difference in disregarding and speaking comparatively.

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They have a more tangible impact than a mythical construct like "momentum."


Momentum? What about confidence and effort? Do those things matter? Why do they change? I hate to do this, but have you ever played a sport? You don't think there is a psychological element at all? You seem to be hung up on the term momentum, not me.... People talk all the time about having home court advantage...why? Is home court advantage also a myth?

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It seems more like your arguing why you enjoy watching Steph more, but to argue that you would choose a lesser player, doesn't make sense.


You seem to think that all skills are created equal. I don't. And that doesn't mean I am dismissing them, either. I am saying some are more important than others, some a lot more important.

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I mean if you were a GM, and your job depended on it, would you choose the better player?


If I was the GM of the Warriors, I would take Steph all day and twice on Sundays over Lebron. I didn't start a thread saying "If I could build a team from scratch around one guy, it would be Curry". Obviously it would be Lebron because he can do more...but on a contending team, where I didn't need him to do more, I would take Curry who is better at what he does great than Lebron is (IMO). Like I said, he is the perfect offensive weapon unlike anythign we have ever seen.

I have to run, but I will let my man AI have my last word:

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"You know that that guy is here. He's incredible. He's different. He's different. He's something we've never seen. We've never seen this. It's crazy to me, like just me being the biggest Michael Jordan fan, to see somebody come around like this. I have my idea of me being incredible, you know what I mean? But this dude right here, like it's different. It's a whole different monster, as far as his handle and the way he shoots? C'mon. You know you ain't never seen nothing like this."



Posted by buckeye_vol
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:18 pm to
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Momentum?
Yes momentum had been studied, and it appears to be just random noise.
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What about confidence and effort?
Sure, but those are largely indivdual and something like effort is probably more related physical aspect anyways.
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I hate to do this, but have you ever played a sport? You don't think there is a psychological element at all?
I never said that. I spent 10 years of school studying psychology, BUT momentum is not rally a psychological construct since it has little to no empirical support.
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People talk all the time about having home court advantage...why? Is home court advantage also a myth?
No it's not a myth, but there are probably a number of things that help that. Routine and comfort (sleeping at home; recognizable people and things; calms nerves), impact on refs, etc.
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I am saying some are more important than others, some a lot more important.
Well so far the only skill you've really highlighted where Steph has the advantage was shooting, specifically 3 point shooting. That's important, because it contributes to scoring but it's not the only thing; besides LeBron was just as efficient of a scorer in his prime.
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but on a contending team, where I didn't need him to do more,
What? If a player can do more, he adds value. If Steph was the greatest defender of all time, they would be even better. This doesn't make sense.
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Like I said, he is the perfect offensive weapon unlike anythign we have ever seen.
Except his offensive peak is comparable to LeBron's and MJ's so we've seen it before, just in a different form.
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I have to run, but I will let my man AI have my last word
All true, but it doesn't make him a preferable choice. You seem to value the novelty of his offensive efficiency rather than the practicality of it compared to LeBron and MJ
Posted by montanagator
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:18 pm to
I guess the question is have we seen peak Curry yet- he might have one more level.
Posted by NamariTiger
Flower Mound, Texas
Member since Jun 2014
17746 posts
Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:27 pm to
Say what you want but Lebron took a team consisting of Mo Williams and Ilgaskus as the next best two players on the team to the finals where they got swept by the Spurs. I doubt Curry or anybody else could have done achieved that.
Posted by MusclesofBrussels
Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 5/31/16 at 5:41 pm to
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I really feel like this being your main argument is killing your lagitimacy. That's no different than me saying, "I think Lebron is better, I mean, DO YOU EVEN SEE HIM DOING THINGS?! It's awesome!"




OP probably won't understand this. He seems real dumb
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