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re: If there was any question on who the best qb ever is

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Posted by ATLienTiger
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:06 am to
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Welker and DT88. I will say Denver's D got a big break with OL injuries and getting to play joe flacco, but still they are crazy good.


Baltimore not realizing their D was gassed, and going pass happy was dumb, even before the score got out of hand.

Not handing off to Rice and having too much faith in Flacco is what helped get Cam Cameron fired.

Denver's Defense didn't really do anything until that Oher got injured correct. Flacco threw some ducks tonight definitely.
Posted by Kafka
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:06 am to
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Superbowls shouldnt be the determining factor of a quarterback's worth, but the disparity between Mannings regular season and postseason are undeniable
Manning actually had a great SB vs the Saints except for one pass
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:07 am to
Who is a better quarterback? Who played the position better? If you answer joe, you're a homer or insane.
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:07 am to
Pierre garçon dropping a pass changed that game as well.
Posted by REG861
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:08 am to
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Superbowls shouldnt be the determining factor of a quarterback's worth, but the disparity between Mannings regular season and postseason are undeniable
Manning actually had a great SB vs the Saints except for one pass


That's absolutely true, but Manning has several other postseason missteps -- ie last year.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:08 am to
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Montana holds postseason records for most career touchdown passes (45), games with a passer rating over 100.0 (12) and is second in passing yards (5,772) and games with 300+ passing yards. He also tied Terry Bradshaw's record for consecutive playoff games with at least two touchdown passes (7). In his four Super Bowls, Montana completed 83 of 122 passes for 1,142 yards and 11 touchdowns with no interceptions, earning him a passer rating of 127.8. Montana led his team to victory in each game, and is the only player ever to win three Super Bowl MVP awards. Montana also holds the record for most Super Bowl pass completions (83) and pass attempts (122) without throwing an interception.



Yeah, what a chump
Posted by DelU249
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:09 am to
Who is calling him a chump?
Posted by Jake88
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:09 am to
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Did you see Joe play? He was an ice fricking cold assassin.



You guys do realize it's far easier to pass the ball successfully in the NFL today due to rule changes designed to keep simpletons entertained who would otherwise drift off during a 13-7 slugfest, don't you? They've changed the ways offensive lineman block, and the secondary can cover WR's all with the intent to see more passing yards and TD's.

48 tds from 1984 Dan Marino is worth 65 today.


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Who is a better quarterback? Who played the position better? If you answer joe, you're a homer or insane.


Montana. You're a child, and didn't have the benefit of seeing Montana play.
This post was edited on 9/6/13 at 12:12 am
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:10 am to
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Who is a better quarterback? Who played the position better? If you answer joe, you're a homer or insane.


So if there was 2 minutes to play and your team was down 5 points but was getting the ball and your life was on the line, who would you rather QB your team down the field, Joe Montana or Peyton manning?
Posted by tigerbait3488
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:10 am to
Nice post DS..... Montana and its not really close.
Posted by Tactical1
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:11 am to
Greatest regular season quarterback? I can see that argument. Greatest of all time? 9-11 postseason is just tough to overlook, especially when you debate greatest of all time.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:12 am to
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Who is calling him a chump?



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Joe? Give me a break.


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Joe Monatana? no




You know you can agree to disagree on some points, I will concede that an argument can be made for a handful of other quarterbacks as the GOAT. But #1 Joe Montana DAMN SURE is in the discussion and #2 Peyton Manning is not.
Posted by tigerbait3488
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:13 am to
Exactly Jake, offenses have such a upper hand in todays game.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:22 am to
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Fox Mulder


here's some educational viewing

LINK
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:22 am to
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There are 4 guys who have changed the way the position was played... Sammy Baugh, Johnny U, Joe Montana, and Peyton Manning.
WTF did Joe Montana change?
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:25 am to
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WTF did Joe Montana change?


Ever heard of a little thing called the West Coast offense?
Posted by VerlanderBEAST
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:29 am to
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Ever heard of a little thing called the West Coast offense?


So Joe Montana played in a system he didn't change anything about the way the position is played.
Posted by tigerbait3488
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:29 am to
DS, its going to be hard for the young and the uneducated football fan to persuade the greatness of Joe Montana. Its a shame some of these posters didnt get the privledge watching him be the conducter of the West Coast offense.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:32 am to
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So Joe Montana played in a system he didn't change anything about the way the position is played.



every single quarterback ever played in a system. The way he executed that system was revolutionary.
Posted by Draconian Sanctions
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 12:32 am to
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Its a shame some of these posters didnt get the privledge watching him be the conducter of the West Coast offense.


it is indeed. He was truly unbelievable.
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