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re: If Jamarcus Russell would have been in this years NFL draft
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:46 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
Jamarcus had possibly the best set of physical tools of any CFB QB ever
He didn't have great mobility, or at least great 'pocket' mobility.
He could move fairly well in straight lines, but his ability to move laterally was severely lacking.
He had terrible ball security (tons of strip-sacks) and he was really bad at sensing pressure.
Jesus, my blood pressure is going to shoot through the roof if I keep on about this.
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Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:46 am to Zamoro10
he had one question, and i don't each QB who had 3-INT games and still finished with a good year
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:47 am to Zamoro10
quote:
You really didn't answer any of his questions...simply posted other irrelevant facts.
His only question was name another "great" qb with multiple 3 int games.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:48 am to RuLSU
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He had terrible ball security (tons of strip-sacks) and he was really bad at sensing pressure.
Is ball security a "physical tool"?
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:49 am to jacks40
no, but he did suck at it 
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:50 am to RuLSU
quote:This is what I never saw. He had an unbelievably quick release but he rarely hit someone on a dime. He threw it to wide open receivers or to covered receivers who often made great plays. Just youtube his lsu highlights. You can't find many highlights of him hitting a receiver in just the right spot. Either the receiver was wide open, or happened to make a great play.
He could also be pretty accurate.
I think people were mesmerized by his hyper-quick release and they overlooked his poor decision making, gunslinger attitude, and relative lack of accuracy (to the nfl level.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:52 am to jacks40
quote:
Is ball security a "physical tool"?
Yes.
He had small hands for a man of his size.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:54 am to RuLSU
I think you have keeping cool confused with being stupid.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:54 am to genro
quote:
This is what I never saw.
On a 'straight line' throw - even in the NFL - he was usually on target.
And, to be fair to the fat bastard, he did have his moments, even in the NFL, where he looked like a 'real' QB.
He even had a few solid games thrown in there.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:54 am to genro
which QB had the best season?
3129 yards
67.8% completion rate
9.15 ypa
28/8 - TD/INT
2542 yards
65.3% completion rate
8.17 ypa
30/6 - TD/INT
3426 yards
61.9% completion rate
7.34 ypa
37/7 - TD/INT
3129 yards
67.8% completion rate
9.15 ypa
28/8 - TD/INT
2542 yards
65.3% completion rate
8.17 ypa
30/6 - TD/INT
3426 yards
61.9% completion rate
7.34 ypa
37/7 - TD/INT
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:55 am to RuLSU
I never thought he was a bad quarterback. He was certainly very good for LSU. But all the hype at the time was he was the best QB in a long time. To me that was absurd. He was a 3rd or 4th rounder.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:55 am to RuLSU
quote:
He had small hands for a man of his size.
that's not true. he didn't fumble on some strips that still blow my mind. he had some of the worst ball security technique ever, which allowed a lot of fumbles. he was just strong enough where he didn't think he had to protect the ball
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:56 am to SlowFlowPro
No one's saying he didn't have a good career at LSU. He was a good quarterback and deserved to go the NFL and could have had a decent career, mostly as a backup.
But the hype at the time WAS ZOMG BEST QB IN A GENERATION OBVIOUS NUMBER ONE PICK
and that was fricking ridiculous and I knew it.
But the hype at the time WAS ZOMG BEST QB IN A GENERATION OBVIOUS NUMBER ONE PICK
and that was fricking ridiculous and I knew it.
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 8:58 am
Posted on 12/3/12 at 8:58 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:
that's not true. he didn't fumble on some strips that still blow my mind. he had some of the worst ball security technique ever, which allowed a lot of fumbles. he was just strong enough where he didn't think he had to protect the ball
It's been five years, but I am under the impression he had small hands for someone of his size.
It - along with weight issues, motivation issues and 'character' issues - was one of the red flags people brought up.
How did I get sucked into talking about that scrub ?!Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:01 am to genro
quote:
But the hype at the time WAS ZOMG BEST QB IN A GENERATION
best QB tools in a generation is about as big as it got. and that's arguable, but you could easily argue for JR
quote:
OBVIOUS NUMBER ONE PICK
he was the obvious #1 pick
at the time there wasn't that much at the top. joe thomas had major questions about his pass blocking. calvin johnson was like JR on steroids (all physical freak, serious questions about his skill level at the time of the draft). then look at the next 3 drafted:
1. levi brown - physical specimen who busted out
2. gaines adams (RIP) - complete bust
3. laron landry - bust
then you had AD
then you had bust bust bust
Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:02 am to genro
It's because he was in Oakland bruh!
Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:02 am to RuLSU
quote:
And, to be fair to the fat bastard, he did have his moments, even in the NFL, where he looked like a 'real' QB. He even had a few solid games thrown in there.
For all the shite he got I do remember seeing an ESPN stat that Mark Sanchez had nearly the same stat line through his first 8 games with the Jets as JR did with the Raiders.
Not that Sanchez is a good qb either but he at least got 3 years and will probably get a 2nd team to give him a shot after the Jets. Purple drink is a helluva of a drug though.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:What does this mean? He had a quick release. He had size. What other "tools" did he have?
best QB tools in a generation
Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:06 am to hg
quote:
It's because he was in Oakland bruh!
In fairness, there are probably... IDK, 30 other teams that could have helped him a lot more then Oakland did.
To other points - yes, he was the obvious #1 overall pick, risks and all. Hindsight is always 20/20.
And it's not fair to compare Russell to Sanchez. Sanchez sucks, but at least he's trying hard. If Sanchez had Russell's physical talent, he wouldn't be getting benched for McElroy.
Posted on 12/3/12 at 9:07 am to jacks40
If JR had gone somewhere with a hardass organization and coach like the Pats or something, he'd be a good NFL QB.
He is a gamer. Kid made some incredibly clutch plays at LSU and his arm is arguably the greatest in the history of football. Perfect release and absolute cannon. Yes he had great WRs at LSU, but they are better in the NFL so that point is moot.
Had he kept in shape and had his head on straight, he'd be a very good NFL QB. Underrated mobility and could throw on the move very well, even across his body.
Best QB in college that year and it shouldn't be debated. Troy Smith was a good athlete playing QB for OSU.
He is a gamer. Kid made some incredibly clutch plays at LSU and his arm is arguably the greatest in the history of football. Perfect release and absolute cannon. Yes he had great WRs at LSU, but they are better in the NFL so that point is moot.
Had he kept in shape and had his head on straight, he'd be a very good NFL QB. Underrated mobility and could throw on the move very well, even across his body.
Best QB in college that year and it shouldn't be debated. Troy Smith was a good athlete playing QB for OSU.
This post was edited on 12/3/12 at 9:08 am
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