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re: I like Delany's proposal Re: Conference Champions
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:00 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Whens the last time the #6 team had 3 losses? Let alone in a year with at least 3 undefeated teams going into the CCG.
14 and 16 (eventually) team conferences are coming. It's going to be possible.
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Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:01 pm to H-Town Tiger
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If you just took the top 4 conference winners in the BCS era, the lowest ranked conference winners that would have been included are : 2001 #8 Ill, who was 10-1. 2003: #7 FSU who was 10-2 and 2011 #10 Wisconsin 11-2.
Nice info. Makes me even more against at large teams.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:02 pm to Baloo
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Winning your conference is an actual, objective accomplishment.
and?
just because you win your conference, doesn't mean you are one of the top 4 teams in the country.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:03 pm to rocket31
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just because you win your conference, doesn't mean you are one of the top 4 teams in the country.
Its not really objective either, I mean conferences go up and down, and in the Big East's case, waaaay down.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:03 pm to M Le Rip
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Based on about 2/3 of a team's schedule.
So do we want to base this on the whole schedule or just part of the schedule? Because if we want to base it on just part of the schedule, we will have a system far worse than the current BCS.
what's the hardest part of most teams schedule?
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if OSU had lost to ULL, they still would have made the playoffs, and #2 Alabama wouldn't have. That's absolutely insane.
WTF are you talking about? Did OSU lose to ULL? Quit just making shite up and give concrete examples of things that have actually or are likely to happen.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:05 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:So basically you agree that it's possible. Why, then, should we allow for this possibility?
what was the score of that game again? I didn't ask for an exmaple were it was a 5 TD swing away from happening, I asked if it ever happened. 2011 was the only year I could find where the final regular season 1 and 2 were from the same conference.
quote:Not looking it up, but it's happened a couple times. Not that that's the point. The point is that it's possible, and crazy and stupid possibilities shouldn't be part of a system like this. Excluding the #1 team for not winning the best conference in lieu of the #6 team for winning the 6th best conference is stupid. Just plain stupid.
Whens the last time the #6 team had 3 losses?
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:06 pm to Colonel Flagg
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Nice info. Makes me even more against at large teams.
None of those teams would be in with Delany's proposal. It only goes to 6.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:06 pm to arobbi3
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Whens the last time the #6 team had 3 losses? Let alone in a year with at least 3 undefeated teams going into the CCG.
14 and 16 (eventually) team conferences are coming. It's going to be possible.
why does conference expansion make this more possible? Are they going to increase the # of conference games played?
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:07 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Now THAT'S naive. When a team lost and their name unfortunately matters in the opinions of some, but it's in the voters' bias that, while it certainly exists, is very small.
No offense bro, but that's pretty naive. Most of the time it has to do with when a team lost and their name.
A team's record and schedule strength are the things that matter the most, or else no one would ever be ranked ahead of Notre Dame.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:07 pm to rocket31
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just because you win your conference, doesn't mean you are one of the top 4 teams in the country.
1. The polls have more blunt bias and agenda behind their creation.
2. We want to create a playoff because we think it is a better system. Why don't we take advantage of the conference tournaments that are the regular season.
3. Also a team being called the national champion and not the best in their conference in college football just sound ridiculous.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:09 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:Irrelevant.
what's the hardest part of most teams schedule?
quote:Hey, you're the one leaving the door open for crazy possibilities like these in this non-sensical system. This is your problem, not mine.
WTF are you talking about? Did OSU lose to ULL? Quit just making shite up and give concrete examples of things that have actually or are likely to happen.
Taking the top four eliminates the possibility of #1 being excluded in lieu of #6. Your system allows for that possibility. Your system sucks.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:11 pm to arobbi3
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None of those teams would be in with Delany's proposal. It only goes to 6.
I understand that, but I think 6 is an arbitrary and stupid ranking to select as the cut off.
Since in the worst case it was the #10 team
of a subjective poll and the team only had 2 losses I am in even more favor of a straight 4 team conference champion playoff.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:13 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:While you and I probably disagree on the significance of the bias/agenda, we certainly agree that the fact that it exists at all is a problem. I would guess that you agree with me that the polls should not determine playoff teams at all.
1. The polls have more blunt bias and agenda behind their creation.
quote:Because not all teams are in conferences, and winning your conference only accounts for a fraction of a team's season and does not give us a completely accurate picture of how good the team is. Counting all games equally and taking into account every game played by every team is the most near-perfect way to do it, and there's simply no logical argument against it (though we can dispute the best way to determine the four best teams--but that's a different argument).
2. We want to create a playoff because we think it is a better system. Why don't we take advantage of the conference tournaments that are the regular season.
quote:No it isn't. It happens in literally every other sport.
3. Also a team being called the national champion and not the best in their conference in college football just sound ridiculous.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:13 pm to M Le Rip
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So basically you agree that it's possible. Why, then, should we allow for this possibility?
Its possible you will be killed in a car wreck, will that stop you from driving? There's a chance a meteor will hit the Earth, are you building up a survival shelter? I don't think we should scrap an idea, because we can come up with a 1 scenerio with 1 in a billion chance of occuring, that has never happened and really has never been close to happening.
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Not looking it up, but it's happened a couple times
If you know its happened more than once, you shouldn't have to look it up.
But I'll make it easy for you
Past BCS Rankings
CFB Reference, shows AP rankings for each week, for each year
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:14 pm to Colonel Flagg
quote:You're right in that it's stupid, but I'm sure it reflects the number of AQ conferences. I'd guess that's why he picked 6.
I understand that, but I think 6 is an arbitrary and stupid ranking to select as the cut off.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:17 pm to M Le Rip
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Because not all teams are in conferences, and winning your conference only accounts for a fraction of a team's season and does not give us a completely accurate picture of how good the team is.
only 3 or 4 are not in conferences and are you saying games against Penn State, Ga So, N Texas and Kent State tell us anything about Alabama last year
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No it isn't. It happens in literally every other sport.
It can't happen in pro sports and only happens in CBB because a) the field so large and its a 1 and done tourny and b) the conference "winner" in terms of getting the auto bid is based also on a 1 and done tourny, that for most teams ismeaningless anyway. 2012 UK was unbeaten in SEC regular season play.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:17 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:It was 30 minutes from happening in December.
I don't think we should scrap an idea, because we can come up with a 1 scenerio with 1 in a billion chance of occuring, that has never happened and really has never been close to happening.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:21 pm to M Le Rip
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No it isn't. It happens in literally every other sport.
I have never like this argument for a couple reasons.
1. Teams only play 12 total regular season games which is small in comparison to other sports. Also football is much more rigorous on the athlete and the FBS events are much larger than others.
2. There is a large pool of teams in FBS in comparison to the amount of regular season games played.
These reasons lead me to think a very large playoff is not practical. Using the regular season tournaments to eliminate members of conferences seems like an effective efficient way of shrinking the potential playoff pool for a small playoff. I also agree that the human voters systems is stupid and want to keep the results on the field as the elimination factor as much as possible.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:23 pm to M Le Rip
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It was 30 minutes from happening in December.
Well Bama should have never been in the NCG anyways. So it was more of a flaw in our current voting system.
If it would have been a team not named Bama or USC in that position it wouldn't have even been a possibility.
Posted on 5/4/12 at 1:23 pm to Colonel Flagg
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2. We want to create a playoff because we think it is a better system. Why don't we take advantage of the conference tournaments that are the regular season.
this only works if all conferences are equal. they are not. therefore, its mildly ignorant to suggest winning the BigEast is worth just as much as winning the SEC. no offense.
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