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re: I awoke with even greater despair this morning...
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:42 pm to bisonduck
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:42 pm to bisonduck
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That play was our entire backup front 7 save Buckner.
If I recall that was Ohio State'second drive of the game.
Your entire front seven needed a breather on the second drive of the game?
So soft.
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:43 pm to KosmoCramer
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He has a tough time getting his pad level down against guards, centers and H backs that kick him out on the counter.
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That's soft.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:44 pm to bisonduck
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That play was our entire backup front 7 save Buckner.
looks like you need better backups
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:44 pm to bisonduck
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You are being an idiot now. In a 4-3, if you pull olinemen, a DL is unblocked. In a 3-4, the unblocked guy is usually a linebacker.
I'm not talking about an option.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:48 pm to boom roasted
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What do you mean by that?
He means blocked by the 5 offensive linemen.
They could still get blocked by a tight end, receiver, running back, etc.
But offensive linemen typically block the defensive linemen plus x number of linebackers depending on the defensive scheme.
You don't have to block everybody, just the right people to spring the ball carrier.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:50 pm to KosmoCramer
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Your entire front seven needed a breather on the second drive of the game?
They brought in the Chinese Bandits.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:50 pm to BrerTiger
There are unblocked players on every play.
He's saying that the scheme for Oregon is to leave their OLBs unblocked.
They typically aren't blocked if your d linemen do their job.
In a 3-4, the 3 downs get blocked and the two middle backers. WRs could crackback on the OLBs or the line could get to OLBs but they typically don't get that far. It's the RBs job to make a guy or two miss because the defense is playing 9 vs 11 since the RB and QB can't block.
He's saying that the scheme for Oregon is to leave their OLBs unblocked.
They typically aren't blocked if your d linemen do their job.
In a 3-4, the 3 downs get blocked and the two middle backers. WRs could crackback on the OLBs or the line could get to OLBs but they typically don't get that far. It's the RBs job to make a guy or two miss because the defense is playing 9 vs 11 since the RB and QB can't block.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:55 pm to KosmoCramer
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There are unblocked players on every play.
He's saying that the scheme for Oregon is to leave their OLBs unblocked.
They typically aren't blocked if your d linemen do their job.
In a 3-4, the 3 downs get blocked and the two middle backers. WRs could crackback on the OLBs or the line could get to OLBs but they typically don't get that far. It's the RBs job to make a guy or two miss because the defense is playing 9 vs 11 since the RB and QB can't block.
Sounds right to me.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:59 pm to BrerTiger
They aren't usually blocked against a 4-3 or 3-4 is my point.
Against a 4-3, the linemen block the four down linemen in some fashion (although sometimes the off play defensive end is left unblocked), and the middle linebacker.
In a 3-4 it depends who blitzes, but Oregon didn't bring much pressure last night. So in a base 3-4 where 8 players drop into zone, the 3 down linemen are blocked and the two middle linebackers by the OL.
His point seemed to not make sense. Maybe I didn't understand it.
Against a 4-3, the linemen block the four down linemen in some fashion (although sometimes the off play defensive end is left unblocked), and the middle linebacker.
In a 3-4 it depends who blitzes, but Oregon didn't bring much pressure last night. So in a base 3-4 where 8 players drop into zone, the 3 down linemen are blocked and the two middle linebackers by the OL.
His point seemed to not make sense. Maybe I didn't understand it.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:00 pm to KosmoCramer
Our OLBs made mistake after mistake. Washington came in on Jones out of control, Prevot got caught inside, Washington got kicked out on contain, etc. There were more bad plays by the OLBs than the DL.
The coaches know this and have changed recruiting. Reality is that Coleman and Washington weren't recruited for this system. Prevot will never be an every down OLB unless he can put more sand in his pants. He is perfect for an air raid offense.
The problem we have in the PAC is that you get too big and you will get destroyed by Leach or Dykes and you get guys like Prevot that get destroyed by an Ohio State.
Personally, I'd rather move to a different scheme or get 255 OLBs that may be a bit of a liability against CAL and WSU but just go on the attack like Stanford does with their OLBs.
The coaches know this and have changed recruiting. Reality is that Coleman and Washington weren't recruited for this system. Prevot will never be an every down OLB unless he can put more sand in his pants. He is perfect for an air raid offense.
The problem we have in the PAC is that you get too big and you will get destroyed by Leach or Dykes and you get guys like Prevot that get destroyed by an Ohio State.
Personally, I'd rather move to a different scheme or get 255 OLBs that may be a bit of a liability against CAL and WSU but just go on the attack like Stanford does with their OLBs.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:04 pm to KosmoCramer
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In a 3-4 it depends who blitzes, but Oregon didn't bring much pressure last night. So in a base 3-4 where 8 players drop into zone, the 3 down linemen are blocked and the two middle linebackers by the OL. His point seemed to not make sense. Maybe I didn't understand it.
You are making my point. Our OLBs played with terrible leverage the entire game. They either pinched in too far or ran themselves out of the play.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:07 pm to bisonduck
The DL also didn't shed blocks or get ANY penetration. Maybe a couple times, but nothing consistent or disruptive.
The NT of a 3-4 is susposed to eat blockers and create blocking issues. That never happened.
And the DEs were a complete NON FACTOR in the run game. They have to make plays to help the LBs.
The DLine was getting single blocked all night and couldn't get off the block. That makes it a nightmare night for the LBs.
The NT of a 3-4 is susposed to eat blockers and create blocking issues. That never happened.
And the DEs were a complete NON FACTOR in the run game. They have to make plays to help the LBs.
The DLine was getting single blocked all night and couldn't get off the block. That makes it a nightmare night for the LBs.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:10 pm to bisonduck
I'm headed to the gym. You can clarify your point, I'm not quite understanding it.
I think Oregon is a classy program, and I know we have a Home and Home scheduled in the future, that will be fun
Hope to see you in the National Championship game next year 
I think Oregon is a classy program, and I know we have a Home and Home scheduled in the future, that will be fun
Hope to see you in the National Championship game next year
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:15 pm to KosmoCramer
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The DL also didn't shed blocks or get ANY penetration. Maybe a couple times, but nothing consistent or disruptive. The NT of a 3-4 is susposed to eat blockers and create blocking issues. That never happened. And the DEs were a complete NON FACTOR in the run game. They have to make plays to help the LBs. The DLine was getting single blocked all night and couldn't get off the block. That makes it a nightmare night for the LBs.
I knew that you would run for a lot of yards. You were able to dominant the Bama down linemen, which are deeper than Oregon's. I expected our OLBs to make some plays though. Washington played a bad game. He got wham blocked way to easily and rushed Jones out of control. All of our OLBs played out of control. A lot of that probably has to do with playing a 6'5" 250 qb that squats over 500 pounds and playing a freak runningback.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:21 pm to bisonduck
tOSU opens on the road vs Va Tech.
unranked Va Tech hangs an L on them.
unranked Va Tech hangs an L on them.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 6:22 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:22 pm to KosmoCramer
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The DL also didn't shed blocks or get ANY penetration. Maybe a couple times, but nothing consistent or disruptive.
The NT of a 3-4 is susposed to eat blockers and create blocking issues. That never happened.
And the DEs were a complete NON FACTOR in the run game. They have to make plays to help the LBs.
The DLine was getting single blocked all night and couldn't get off the block. That makes it a nightmare night for the LBs.
I will confess I don't follow games anywhere near as well as you two do but that was my general feel that Oregon's line in general just couldn't get off the blocks.
Once we got past calling Oregon's line a bunch of soft pussies, I enjoyed the back and forth between you and Bison. Bison takes a lot of heat but he's a damn solid poster.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:31 pm to boom roasted
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Soft as marsh mud.
Soft like cream cheese left out for an hour at room temperature.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 6:32 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:40 pm to BrerTiger
His point is that the OLBs don't have the responsibility on those counters and power plays. DL has to occupy blocks and ILBs make the tackles if everything is going well. On that gif, you have Talia, Kamp, and Buckner on the DL. The first problem is that Talia and Kamp are getting owned (#55 is Talia and Kamp is in the middle getting sandwiched by a single blocker). Two blockers get to the second level on the left side and Mattingly, a bright spot, does his best to fill the gap. The OLBs are Prevot who is rushing the play and really doesn't have responsibility on the play. On that play, Kamp should've occupied the blocker that gets out on Mattingly #46 if things are perfect.
My problem is that the OLB covering the slot is no where to be seen. Our 240+ OLBs shouldn't be getting owned by a receivers. Good OLB play makes that an 8 yard gain and not TD. The OLB has to spill that play back to the middle.
I expected our DL to get single blocked at times and give up some chunk plays. We have stop explosive plays. Good OLB play there stops the explosion play.
My problem is that the OLB covering the slot is no where to be seen. Our 240+ OLBs shouldn't be getting owned by a receivers. Good OLB play makes that an 8 yard gain and not TD. The OLB has to spill that play back to the middle.
I expected our DL to get single blocked at times and give up some chunk plays. We have stop explosive plays. Good OLB play there stops the explosion play.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 6:57 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 6:48 pm to bisonduck
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bisonduck
Posted on 1/13/15 at 7:16 pm to SDVTiger
Soft
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