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re: I awoke with even greater despair this morning...
Posted on 1/13/15 at 4:22 pm to BrerTiger
Posted on 1/13/15 at 4:22 pm to BrerTiger
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So Ohio State outmuscled Oregon last night with their minds?
Ohio State ran the ball on Bama and it wasn't size. Armstead said after the game, it was all technical.
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 4:32 pm to bisonduck
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Size wasn't our problem.
I found this article from the offseason comparing offensive lines across the preseason top 20:
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How does size equate to success, you ask, well 12 of the preseason top 20 exceed the average. Here’s how the top 20 look.
1-Oklahoma: (6’4.2? & 318.8 lbs.)
2-Oregon: (6’4.4-292 lbs.)
3-Florida State: (6’4.6? & 316.4 lbs.)
4-Alabama: (6’5.4? & 312 lbs.)
5-Auburn: (6’5.4? & 301.6 lbs.)
6-Stanford: (6’5.4? & 301.2 lbs.)
7-Baylor: (6’6? & 328 lbs.)
8- UCLA: (6’4.8? & 299.5 lbs.)
9-Ohio State: (6’4.2? & 303.4 lbs.)
10-South Carolina: (6’4.8? & 320.8 lbs.)
11-LSU: (6’5.4? & 324 lbs.)
12-Michigan State: (6’3.4? & 308.6 lbs.)
13-Arizona State: (6’3.6? & 299.6 lbs.)
14-Notre Dame: (6’6? & 309 lbs.)
15-Georgia: (6’4.8? & 299.8 lbs.)
16-USC: (6’5.6? & 301 lbs.)
17-Nebraska: (6’5? & 301 lbs.)
18-Texas A&M: (6’4.8? & 306.8 lbs.)
19-Wisconsin: (6’5.8? & 319.6 lbs.)
20-Ole Miss: (6’4.4? & 334.2 lbs.)
Interesting story came out today that Ohio State told their lineman to drop a few pounds in preparation for playing Oregon -- in large part so they would feel lighter and faster.
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Posted on 1/13/15 at 4:39 pm to bisonduck
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Ohio State ran the ball on Bama and it wasn't size. Armstead said after the game, it was all technical.
Why can't it be both? Obviously Bama more than matched up on size but Oregon didn't quite match up on size and had the same struggle Bama had with shutting down Elliott and getting penetration. It just looked like Ohio State had an easier time pushing Oregon around and it seems silly to completely discount size like it wasn't a factor at all.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 4:41 pm to BrerTiger
Our starting lineup went:
Fisher 300, Stevens 307, Grasu 297, Hunt 290 and Crosby 310. Not sure how they arrived about 292.
Fisher 300, Stevens 307, Grasu 297, Hunt 290 and Crosby 310. Not sure how they arrived about 292.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:01 pm to bisonduck
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Fisher 300, Stevens 307, Grasu 297, Hunt 290 and Crosby 310. Not sure how they arrived about 292.
Probably because it was a study done in June.
So that's 300.8 for the Ducks O-line.
Buckeyes had:
Taylor Decker, LT 315
Billy Price, LG 312
Jacoby Boren, C 285
Pat Elflein, RG 300
Darryl Baldwin, RT 307
So that's 303.8 for the Buckeye O-line or more or less what they calculated in June because the Buckeyes have had the same lineup all year long.
But what about the defensive lines?
For the Buckeyes:
Joey Bosa DE 278
A Washington DT 295
M Bennett DT 288
Steve Miller DE 255
Darron Lee SLB 228
Curtis Grant MLB 238
Joshua Perry WLB 252
Average weight: 262
For Oregon:
Armstead DE 290
Balducci NG 310
Buckner DE 290
Washington, T. OLB 250
Hardrick, R. ILB 247
Malone, Derrick ILB 220
Coleman, Tyson OLB 235
Average weight: 263
Alright, dammit. You're right. The Ducks more or less matched up on size.
This post was edited on 1/13/15 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:03 pm to BrerTiger
they were just soft arse pussy bitches who couldnt take a hit
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:08 pm to BrerTiger
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Alright, dammit. You're right. The Ducks more or less matched up on size.
It was about leverage not size.
Being soft vs being tough.
Pussy vs Grown arse Men
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:19 pm to KosmoCramer
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It was about leverage not size.
Which is why Armstead said it was about the technical aspects of the game.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:22 pm to bisonduck
He's 6'9 280. He has a tough time getting his pad level down against guards, centers and H backs that kick him out on the counter.
They got abused at the point of attack. On both sides. Consistently.
That's soft.
They got abused at the point of attack. On both sides. Consistently.
That's soft.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:27 pm to KosmoCramer
Armstead was 290 pounds and our OLBs got crushed. The down linemen were fine and did what they needed to. The linebackers cost us the game.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:30 pm to bisonduck
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Armstead was 290 pounds and our OLBs got crushed. The down linemen were fine and did what they needed to. The linebackers cost us the game.
I'm not sure what game you were watching, but power and counter plays involve pulling guards, centers, H-backs, etc. kicking out or trapping unblocked defensive linemen. They were abused at the point of attack both on the line and on the second level.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:36 pm to bisonduck
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Also, the dropped passes stick in my craw.
The big one by Stanford was HUGE.
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However, at the end of the day, you should be able to overcome two dropped passes when you win the TO battle by as much as we did.
Yep
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:37 pm to KosmoCramer
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I'm not sure what game you were watching, but power and counter plays involve pulling guards, centers, H-backs, etc. kicking out or trapping unblocked defensive linemen. They were abused at the point of attack both on the line and on the second level.
You mean this?
The blocking is great but I'm just marveling at Elliott's vision and cuts. No wonder he ran all over Bama too.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:38 pm to KosmoCramer
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The one dropped pass was a short 3rd and 2 spacing play where he was immediately tackled. That wouldn't have changed the complexion of the game.
The long drop did to an extent but this was still an arse beating. Even with those drops, it's not close.
Those were both early....so, we will never know.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:38 pm to KosmoCramer
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I'm not sure what game you were watching, but power and counter plays involve pulling guards, centers, H-backs, etc. kicking out or trapping unblocked defensive linemen. They were abused at the point of attack both on the line and on the second level.
In our scheme, the OLBs are unblocked. Washington and Coleman got abused.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:40 pm to bisonduck
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Armstead said after the game, it was all technical.
Fire the DL coach then. That shouldn't be the case. He came from the league.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:40 pm to bisonduck
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In our scheme, the OLBs are unblocked.
So you tell the offense who they are allowed to block?
OLBs are not often blocked by linemen with any scheme.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:40 pm to bisonduck
quote:What do you mean by that?
In our scheme, the OLBs are unblocked.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:41 pm to BrerTiger
That play was our entire backup front 7 save Buckner.
Posted on 1/13/15 at 5:42 pm to KosmoCramer
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So you tell the offense who they are allowed to block? OLBs are not often blocked by linemen with any scheme.
You are being an idiot now. In a 4-3, if you pull olinemen, a DL is unblocked. In a 3-4, the unblocked guy is usually a linebacker.
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