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How much longer will West Virginia be an outlier Big 12 member?
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:13 pm
Conference realignment has been a great thing for the vast majority of the old Big East and legitimate Mountain West schools. Utah and TCU are a great fit for the Pac 12 and Big 12. BYU is better off now as an independent playing a solid schedule than before in the MWC. Miami, Va Tech, Boston College, Syracuse, Pitt, and Louisville all have a great situation in the ACC. UConn is going back to the Big East and forgetting football (smart move). USF and Cincinnati are the only ones left without a major conference but those two schools were never really major conference schools to begin with.
And then there is West Virginia which lost more than anyone. They retain their major conference status but in the most unstable conference with absolutely no historic or geographic ties to anyone in the Big 12. It's by far the oddest situation in college football and equally embarrassing for WVU and the Big 12. It was a last minute desperation move by both parties. Neither wanted each other but both had to have each other to survive.
Does WVU have any other options in the future? Athletically they absolutely deserve to be a sought after school. They are a very solid football and basketball school with a passionate and loyal fan base. Geographically they are a perfect fit for the Big Ten and ACC and, to a lesser extent, even the SEC. The biggest negatives they have are a small media market (no major cities in a state with 1.8 million - although they do dominate the state's market), not a prestigious academic school, and a general perception that their fans are too rowdy and unsophisticated.
I see 4 potential options for them long term:
1. Big Ten. Very unlikely due to the B10's snobby academic and cultural elitism. Nebraska lost AAU membership so AAU status isn't a complete deal breaker for the B10 anymore. Might be an option if the B10 wanted to expand to 16 or if Maryland or Nebraska decide to return to their former conferences after realizing they aren't doing any better in the B10.
2. ACC. The same cultural and academic snobbery applies to them, although to a lesser extent than the B10. WVU would need the SEC or B10 to poach an ACC school for them to have a shot to go this route. The SEC and Big Ten would love to add a NC and VA school.
3. SEC. I just don't see it. West Virginia borders Kentucky, but the campus is pretty darn far from the vast majority of the SEC schools. I don't see the SEC expanding to take WVU unless it was the only way to add VaTech. A more likely scenario would be for the Big Ten to steal Mizzou (which I still think is quite possible).
4. A revamped Big 12 that expands to the East. I think the most likely option is the Big 12 convinces Texas and OU to stay (mostly due to the state legislatures refusing to allow the Big 12 to collapse and leave Ok St, Baylor, TCU, and Texas Tech without a power conference home. The Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU and UCF to give WVU some semblance of belonging and geographic rivals.
And then there is West Virginia which lost more than anyone. They retain their major conference status but in the most unstable conference with absolutely no historic or geographic ties to anyone in the Big 12. It's by far the oddest situation in college football and equally embarrassing for WVU and the Big 12. It was a last minute desperation move by both parties. Neither wanted each other but both had to have each other to survive.
Does WVU have any other options in the future? Athletically they absolutely deserve to be a sought after school. They are a very solid football and basketball school with a passionate and loyal fan base. Geographically they are a perfect fit for the Big Ten and ACC and, to a lesser extent, even the SEC. The biggest negatives they have are a small media market (no major cities in a state with 1.8 million - although they do dominate the state's market), not a prestigious academic school, and a general perception that their fans are too rowdy and unsophisticated.
I see 4 potential options for them long term:
1. Big Ten. Very unlikely due to the B10's snobby academic and cultural elitism. Nebraska lost AAU membership so AAU status isn't a complete deal breaker for the B10 anymore. Might be an option if the B10 wanted to expand to 16 or if Maryland or Nebraska decide to return to their former conferences after realizing they aren't doing any better in the B10.
2. ACC. The same cultural and academic snobbery applies to them, although to a lesser extent than the B10. WVU would need the SEC or B10 to poach an ACC school for them to have a shot to go this route. The SEC and Big Ten would love to add a NC and VA school.
3. SEC. I just don't see it. West Virginia borders Kentucky, but the campus is pretty darn far from the vast majority of the SEC schools. I don't see the SEC expanding to take WVU unless it was the only way to add VaTech. A more likely scenario would be for the Big Ten to steal Mizzou (which I still think is quite possible).
4. A revamped Big 12 that expands to the East. I think the most likely option is the Big 12 convinces Texas and OU to stay (mostly due to the state legislatures refusing to allow the Big 12 to collapse and leave Ok St, Baylor, TCU, and Texas Tech without a power conference home. The Big 12 adds Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU and UCF to give WVU some semblance of belonging and geographic rivals.
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:14 pm to MillerLiteTime
They'll stay in the Big12 for a while, and almost none of what you say is true.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:18 pm to MillerLiteTime
Houston is in a tough spot too. They've got a really nice new basketball arena and recently built football stadium than can be expanded if needed. But they don't add anything market-wise to the SEC or Big12. I don't think the AAC will get the Power conference recognition that they're trying so hard to get.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:18 pm to xiv
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They'll stay in the Big12 for a while
Which is my point. It's not a long term solution. Where does WVU go from here? Being the only East coast school in a western conference isn't feasible long term.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:19 pm to MillerLiteTime
B10 should give Maryland back to the ACC and use that open spot to take West Va.
Big 12 could replace them with Memphis or Louisville if they are dead set on expanding east. Or just do the reasonable thing and add Houston.
Big 12 could replace them with Memphis or Louisville if they are dead set on expanding east. Or just do the reasonable thing and add Houston.
This post was edited on 7/8/19 at 12:20 pm
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:22 pm to 0
Lousiville not leaving the ACC for the Big 12.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:25 pm to BayouBengal
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I don't think the AAC will get the Power conference recognition that they're trying so hard to get.
Totally agree. You have to have at least one major blue blood school to even be considered in that tier. Even as much as the old Big East was laughed at for having a BCS bid, it still had teams like Miami and VaTech. When a school like BYU or Boise would rather stay independent or in the MWC than join you, it shows how far away the AAC is from being a power conference. Boise was excited to join the Big East when it was a dying conference and then said hell no to the AAC.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:26 pm to 0
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Big 12 could replace them with Memphis or Louisville if they are dead set on expanding east. Or just do the reasonable thing and add Houston.
Louisville is very happy in the ACC. They would never leave the ACC for the Big 12.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:31 pm to MillerLiteTime
quote:Yes it is.
It's not a long term solution.
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WVU
quote:Hmm.
East coast
Posted on 7/8/19 at 12:52 pm to 0
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B10 should give Maryland back to the ACC and use that open spot to take West Va.
They would never take a school with WV academics
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:03 pm to MillerLiteTime
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They are a very solid football and basketball school with a passionate and loyal fan base. Geographically they are a perfect fit for the Big Ten and ACC and, to a lesser extent, even the SEC.
No. Absolutely not. I wouldn't touch them with a 10 foot pole in our conference. It just wouldn't work. I have many close family members who attended the school. Culturally, financially, athletically, they aren't SEC caliber. Truly the best place for them is the old Big East with syracuse, VT, and Pittsburgh.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:05 pm to Dire Wolf
1. Academics. Never b10
2. If acc loses to b10 and sec, then acc for wv.
3. Aac teams do well in football, then sure.
Most likely, expansion of virginia and va tech to b10 lets them into acc.
2. If acc loses to b10 and sec, then acc for wv.
3. Aac teams do well in football, then sure.
Most likely, expansion of virginia and va tech to b10 lets them into acc.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:11 pm to 0
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B10 should give Maryland back to the ACC and use that open spot to take West Va.
What exactly would be the benefit of that?
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:20 pm to MillerLiteTime
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They retain their major conference status but in the most unstable conference
The Big 12 is currently more stable than the PAC 12 IMO.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:32 pm to xiv
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Cincinnati, Memphis, ECU and UCF to give WVU
Wow... that is shite city.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:37 pm to 0
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B10 should give Maryland back to the ACC and use that open spot to take West Va.
Big 12 could replace them with Memphis or Louisville if they are dead set on expanding east. Or just do the reasonable thing and add Houston.
None of this makes sense.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:38 pm to MillerLiteTime
When the cfb armageddon happens and we move to 4 16 team super conferences, West Virginia will be in the East with the rest of the ACC teams, reunited with historical rivals like Pitt and Virginia Tech. The Big 12 will be dismantled as the ACC, Pac 12, and Big 10 feed on its carcass. The only question will be which of the following 2 or 3 teams get left out: Baylor, TCU, Iowa St, Rutgers, Notre Dame, BYU, etc.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:41 pm to SEC. 593
These realignment threads alway bring the laughs. People say the dumbest shite.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 1:59 pm to MillerLiteTime
Big 12 is making too much money these days to expand. I think WVU is fine in the Big 12 it sure as hell beats being in the AAC.
Posted on 7/8/19 at 2:04 pm to MillerLiteTime
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if Maryland or Nebraska decide to return to their former conferences after realizing they aren't doing any better in the B10.
Big Ten is bringing in more money than any other conference. I highly doubt schools will be wanting to leave the Big Ten to go back to a conference with less revenue.
And even if Nebraska and Maryland wanted to go back to their old conferences, would they even be accepted back? Especially Nebraska, considering Nebraska leaving for the Big Ten is what set off conference realignment that almost caused the Big 12 to collapse.
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