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re: How much harder is it actually for an athlete to get into Notre Dame than...
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:11 pm to I Bleed Garnet
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:11 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:15 pm to Adam Banks
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You just described every D1 university yes even LSU.
In theory, maybe, but not reality.
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I guarantee they have academic advisors to make sure they are in the easiest spanish section the easiest math section and the list goes on....and there is nothing wrong with that 99% of the other students are doing the same thing they just have a little more trouble knowing which one to get.
I never said they didn't. But these are still regular classes with regular ND students. Unlike many SEC schools where there are programs that are basically designed for football players to get through. And in addition to that, the "easiest" classes at ND will still require more effort and be more difficult than the "easiest" classes at a typical SEC school.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:21 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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In theory, maybe, but not reality
Do you think they have other students taking tests for them or something in the sec? I had classes with football players. They took every test did every presentation etc. The have tutors. As you said ND athletes get tutors. Yall northern schools can try to look down on us and make excuses to why yall suck (tulane can too) but its not true. Its slightly harder classes still in BS majors with the same amount of help and a more respected degree.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:23 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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But these are still regular classes with regular ND students.
Same at LSU Florida Alabama.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:27 pm to Adam Banks
ya i think it's the same everywhere. Athletes (most notably Football and Basketball players) were in all my basic Freshman classes (Like sociology 101) that I had to take.
The stupid General Ed, Liberal arts shite, but when i got to the 300 or 400 level Business classes they weren't in those. (well maybe like 1 walk on football player was, but that's it)
The stupid General Ed, Liberal arts shite, but when i got to the 300 or 400 level Business classes they weren't in those. (well maybe like 1 walk on football player was, but that's it)
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 1:28 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:42 pm to Adam Banks
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Its slightly harder classes still in BS majors
LSU's roster is filled with guys in majors like "Sport Administration", "Sport Commerce", and "General Studies". ND doesn't have programs like that. You could say a program like Sociology is similar to those but I'd disagree, and it's not like the vast majority of the team is taking that anyway. A large portion are in the Business School, which is the #1 B-school in the country.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 1:55 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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LSU's roster is filled with guys in majors like "Sport Administration", "Sport Commerce", and "General Studies". ND doesn't have programs like that. You could say a program like Sociology is similar to those but I'd disagre
because a a 30 second google search reveals that you can major in "liberal studies" Im sure that its so much tougher than general studies
Or look you can create your own major by just having 3 people sign off on it....now Im sure the athletic department doesnt have any sort of leeway there now do they quit making excuses.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:04 pm to Adam Banks
Program of Liberal Studies is actually one of the most time-consuming majors at ND (especially in a non-Science/Engineering program). I can almost guarantee no football player majors in it.
What are you talking about the create your own major?
What are you talking about the create your own major?
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:07 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:11 pm to Adam Banks
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(3) Special majors must culminate in a capstone essay, or, where appropriate, other work, which will be evaluated by more than one faculty member. (In most cases, it is assumed that the faculty evaluators will be the faculty sponsors.) A detailed proposal of the capstone project must be submitted to the faculty sponsors by November 1 of the senior year. It is expected that a capstone essay will consist of between 30 and 50 pages (7,500-15,000 words).
Yes, the football coaches really want their guys with borderline Notre Dame academic credentials doing this. You know, especially because university faculty at private research institutions are notorious for catering to football players...
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:12 pm to Adam Banks
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(2) Approval of the special major will be granted by the dean, on the recommendation of the Undergraduate Studies Advisory Committee. The committee will review the proposals and communicate their recommendations to the students before the preregistration period begins. As it deliberates, the committee may ask for additional information from the student, faculty sponsors, and other colleagues in related areas to assist in further refining and rewriting the original proposal. It is the expectation that the on-campus portions of the major will relay heavily on existing courses.
(3) Special majors must culminate in a capstone essay, or, where appropriate, other work, which will be evaluated by more than one faculty member. (In most cases, it is assumed that the faculty evaluators will be the faculty sponsors.) A detailed proposal of the capstone project must be submitted to the faculty sponsors by November 1 of the senior year. It is expected that a capstone essay will consist of between 30 and 50 pages (7,500-15,000 words).
You really think a football player is doing all that?
I've also said I'm not making excuses. Stanford is more difficult for football players than we are, and they're top 10. ND has always been difficult, and we've had tons of past success.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:14 pm to Sophandros
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(3) Special majors must culminate in a capstone essay, or, where appropriate, other work, which will be evaluated by more than one faculty member. (In most cases, it is assumed that the faculty evaluators will be the faculty sponsors.) A detailed proposal of the capstone project must be submitted to the faculty sponsors by November 1 of the senior year. It is expected that a capstone essay will consist of between 30 and 50 pages (7,500-15,000 words).
Yes, the football coaches really want their guys with borderline Notre Dame academic credentials doing this. You know, especially because university faculty at private research institutions are notorious for catering to football players...
Ah I see...All profressors at private universities will go hard on football players but public universities will sign off on anything. Thanks for showing your classism. The AD just has to know 2 or 3 professors willing to play the game to sign off on that essay. Note that its EXPECTED to contain 50 pgs the profressors (as they should) can grade these things however they want.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 2:15 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:20 pm to Adam Banks
The Dean still has to approve, and it has to be a detailed plan. This isn't a paper, you're DESIGNING A MAJOR. It's not just "give it an A".
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:20 pm to bbap
Notre Dame has raised their standards for allowing athletes to get in within the past decade. It is exponentially harder to get into Notre Dame than any SEC school (other than Vandy). I actually would not be surprised if the Notre Dame academic standards were marginally higher for athletes. However, both schools are basically tied with one another in overall academic rankings. This is one of the biggest factors that is hurting Notre Dame. They cannot get athlete like they used to. Sure, the football team at South Bend still has some dummies, but it is nowhere the level of the teams in the SEC, excluding the Commodores.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:26 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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The Dean still has to approve, and it has to be a detailed plan. This isn't a paper, you're DESIGNING A MAJOR. It's not just "give it an A"
Keep telling yourself that man....I guarantee the AD at Notre Dame has some people who play the game. Im done with this thread. I can say for sure at LSU at least the players werent designing their own majors
Theres BS majors with BS classes even at Notre Dame. The marginal players are in them.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:27 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Notre Dame has raised their standards for allowing athletes to get in within the past decade.
Others in this thread have said just the opposite. That they have actually lowered their admission standards for athletes....Think I'll need a link.
This post was edited on 9/14/11 at 2:28 pm
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:30 pm to Adam Banks
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Keep telling yourself that man....I guarantee the AD at Notre Dame has some people who play the game. Im done with this thread. I can say for sure at LSU at least the players werent designing their own majors
You know nothing about Notre Dame at all. I don't mean that in a condescending way. You obviously shouldn't. But I do.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:31 pm to Buckeye Fan 19
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which is the #1 B-school in the country.
okay I know this is for another forum.... but that's false.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:32 pm to noladan
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Others in this thread have said just the opposite. That they have actually lowered their admission standards for athletes....Think I'll need a link.
Do you mean lower in general or lower in recent years? I heard once that they made it tougher in recent years. Sorry, no link, so I guess this has no credibility.
Posted on 9/14/11 at 2:35 pm to I Bleed Garnet
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okay I know this is for another forum.... but that's false.
According to Businessweek, it is. I'm sure it's not in other rankings. I'm not even in the business school anyway, so I really don't care that much.
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