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re: How does Mike Tyson stack up with all time heavyweights?
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:12 am to ronricks
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:12 am to ronricks
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Leaving Kevin Rooney and Steve Lott hurt.
I guess my perspective, and the perspective I have seen expressed by quite a few around him is that the loss of Cus severed a connection he had with someone who could help him manage his ego and mitigate his baser instincts. That loss left him more subject to the influences of people with agendas that were more concerned with lining their own pockets and moving on when they could. I think if Cus is still around, he would have stuck with better people around him.
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Regardless Tyson was never going to beat Holyfield, Lennox, etc. Tyson came around at the perfect time after Holmes had a pretty boring reign. Tyson was exciting but that doesn’t mean he beats everyone in history.
I was a big Hollyfield fan but I think those fights could have easily gone to Tyson with just a few things being different. I was not a Lennox Lewis fan at the time but in hindsight, I have now realized just how good he was. And he was exactly the type of fighter that Tyson would always have had trouble with, so I think you are right there.
On a side note, I think if 25-year-old George Foreman had 45-year-old George Foreman's ring savvy, he would be in the conversation of greatest of all time.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:13 am to JamalMurry27
I have a lot of nostalgia as I was a huge Tyson fan, but objectively he dominated for a short run against a pretty meh heavy weight division. But fir a few years he looked unhuman
Everyone remembers the question. “ if I gave you a million dollars would you get in the ring a Tyson?” No one asked that about others. You thought you may be killed
Everyone remembers the question. “ if I gave you a million dollars would you get in the ring a Tyson?” No one asked that about others. You thought you may be killed
This post was edited on 11/16/24 at 9:15 am
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:13 am to mdomingue
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On a side note, I think if 25-year-old George Foreman had 45-year-old George Foreman's ring savvy, he would be in the conversation of greatest of all time.
Gospel truth.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:22 am to Jake88
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Nope. Ali and Foreman would have handled him.
Even early on Tyson had trouble with big fighters but I don't it was size specifically, I think it was that the big guys were better able to withstand that early onslaught and Tyson just couldn't maintain that same intensity into the later rounds. I think prime Foreman would be a definite favorite but you can never count out a puncher. But I've got no idea how prime Tyson vs. prime Ali would have gone. Young Ali had freakish speed in hand andbody movement. And he was tougher than anybody. But Frazier gave him hell with the constant pressing, a la Marciano. Frazier and Tyson both a big Marciano influence in their styles. Frazier had that magic left hook, too. Generally when a fighter starts throwing a lot of hooks it means their legs are gone and they're about to go down. But there's a tiny number who can slip an ugly, lazy-looking off-hand hook right in there and land it all day. Frazier definitely had Ali's number but he also fought Foreman twice and it looked like child abuse both times.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 9:27 am to mdomingue
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I was a big Hollyfield fan but I think those fights could have easily gone to Tyson with just a few things being different. I was not a Lennox Lewis fan at the time but in hindsight, I have now realized just how good he was. And he was exactly the type of fighter that Tyson would always have had trouble with, so I think you are right there.
I think most people just remember Riddick Bowe as a 300 lb joke but at 6'6 225 he was a fricking monster. If he could have just stepped away from the buffet line.
Posted on 11/16/24 at 12:11 pm to David Ricky
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he lost his trainer Cus D’amato
This is the key
Had Tyson always had him in his life and listened to him, he probably goes undefeated. Cus D’amato was a father figure to Tyson, Tyson truly loved him. When he was gone, so was Iron Mike. He was never the same.
This post was edited on 11/16/24 at 12:12 pm
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