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re: Heat just beat the Warriors

Posted on 1/24/17 at 7:16 am to
Posted by Aggie Fishfinder
Republic of Texas
Member since Feb 2012
4260 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 7:16 am to
Damn. Warriors, Cavs, and Rockets lost yesterday.
Posted by bwallcubfan
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2007
38129 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 7:20 am to
Sounds like you have a copy of the script
Posted by bbap
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2006
96021 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 7:30 am to
quote:

I simulated the game 1000 times and it had the Heat winning 21% of the time, average score was GSW 111 Miami 102.

The ML was +720 which translates to about 13%. So according to my model the ML should have been +400, so there was value at +720


i remember when i used to think shite like this panned out. Congrats on your nightly win and your future losses.
Posted by RickySauwce
BR
Member since Dec 2011
740 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 7:55 am to
How did you simulate the games? I would like to know because I have been studying a little bit about money line betting and implied odds but I don't have a way of determining an alternate value to determine whether the line is off or not.
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 8:55 am to
quote:

How did you simulate the games? I would like to know because I have been studying a little bit about money line betting and implied odds but I don't have a way of determining an alternate value to determine whether the line is off or not.



Its pretty complex. I use a big grand excel macro

I take all the team/opponent stats from stats.nba.com, use excel formulas convert them into advanced stats and also calculate national averages. I also take each teams/opponents stats based on home/road splits so I can calculate national home advantages as well as team home/road adjustments

Then I take each team's game by game stat log from basketball reference and adjust each team's stats from each game based on opponent strength and location. I also weight more recent games(the most recent game will have 4x the weight of the 1st game, though I am considering giving recent games even more weight than that)

For the simulation itself I calculate the expected tempo of the game, then use each team's season long adjusted stats to calculate expectancy. I.E. what % of possessions they will shoot a 2 point field goal(as well as allow a 2 point field goal attempt on defense), what % of possessions they will foul, what % of possessions they will turn the ball over, what their foul-to-free throw ratio is, offensive rebound %, and so on

I use 3 main calculated expectancy percentages in my simulation - 2PA%, 3PA%, and TO% which combined = 1. Independent of that is Foul % which is the 4th expectancy, but the foul check is done before the expectancy check

Then I run a loop in an excel macro and run the simulation until the amount of possessions exceeds the expected game tempo, at that point the "game" is over. I simulate the game 1000 times to eliminate outliers
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:01 am to
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Alright I'll play. Without divulging your nuts and bolts of the operation what is your general methodology and what gives you the confidence you can beat the books?



Based on comparing my numbers to posted lines, I use a hybrid dynamic home/road advantage adjustment. Books use a national average home/road advantage. What this means is that my system calculates home advantage based on how the individual team plays at home or on the road. Books calculate home advantage using one national one size fits all average. This favors me because some teams play better on the road than at home(San Antonio) where while others play worse at home than on the road(Orlando) then you have teams that are absolute shite tier on the road(Washington) to where using a national average road disadvantage adjustment does not accurately reflect how bad they are at home

Also from my observations books calculate lines based on 3 factors - ORtg, DRtg, and Pace. Which is a good way to get into the ballpark, but my system takes in more factors, specifically rebounding, free throw attempt frequency and 2P/3P splits
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
125422 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 9:03 am to
quote:

What will you buy?


probably more coke
Posted by RickySauwce
BR
Member since Dec 2011
740 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:00 am to
would you consider emailing me this If I post my email address?
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 10:43 am to
quote:

would you consider emailing me this If I post my email address?


Yeah man

I guess you could look around at my formulas and macro codes and how i do things

As far as updating it, its a complex process that takes between 15-30 minutes a day. Probably something you would not know how to do without me giving you detailed step by step instructions
Posted by RickySauwce
BR
Member since Dec 2011
740 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:22 pm to


Much appreciated, I will give it a look and some feedback when I get around to investigating it.
This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 2:57 pm
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:40 pm to
Alright ill send it when i get to my desk

Dont share with anyone
Posted by Bunk Moreland
Member since Dec 2010
53573 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:45 pm to
Nugget is going to end up being the KenPom of pro hoops.
Posted by Cap Crunch
Fire Alleva
Member since Dec 2010
54189 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 12:46 pm to
Giving goldennugget your email address seems like a good way to end up on a watch list
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:13 pm to
Sent
Posted by RickySauwce
BR
Member since Dec 2011
740 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 1:55 pm to
Sorry but it doesn't seem like I have received it.
Posted by ReauxlTide222
St. Petersburg
Member since Nov 2010
83533 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:00 pm to
Whatcha think about Houston being 6-5 since the OKC game where you proclaimed them a 65 win team?
Posted by goldennugget
Hating Masks
Member since Jul 2013
24514 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 2:30 pm to
quote:

Sorry but it doesn't seem like I have received it.


9MB files, might take a while

Also might be blocked via spam filter because of it being excel enabled macro files
Posted by RickySauwce
BR
Member since Dec 2011
740 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:00 pm to
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This post was edited on 1/24/17 at 3:00 pm
Posted by LSUDbrous90
Lafayette
Member since Dec 2011
1451 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 3:00 pm to
goldennugget, I have 2 projects I have been working on that I have a few questions about that is in this wheelhouse. email me at my throw away LSU90TD@gmail.com
Posted by lwest41
Member since Aug 2009
376 posts
Posted on 1/24/17 at 6:06 pm to
Who are we picking tonight?
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