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re: Haye v. Klitschko - This Saturday, July 2
Posted on 6/27/11 at 10:42 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
Posted on 6/27/11 at 10:42 pm to PurpleandGold Motown
I view their style as more of fighting than boxing. For clarification, I would consider Tyson as more of a boxer, with Lewis more of a fighter. The former utilized his quickness and ability to slip to outbox opponents, whereas the latter handled power and size well. But as you say, they are huge, and not built to be that type of fighter. They absolutely have great control of their power into precise punchers. They utilize their size very well, and manage the ring and distance to their advantage.
I think Lennox was smart to retire on his own terms than risk injury and embarrassment. I would like to see Haye do the same. I find it more impressive to have someone unify it himself, as Tyson had to. The sad part is that the brothers will not fight each other, so it will not happen.
And, I remember the fight well. Klitscho was ahead on the scorecard, but the point of a fight and sporting event is to win. And Lennox most certainly did. It wasn't about the money for him. He went out the way he wanted to.
I do not claim to be an expert on boxing, but I used to do some amateur boxing. I stopped when I started college, because I couldn't afford to keep training timewise, moneywise, and risk of concussions while trying to study engineering.
I do, however, know enough to see your points, but still disagree with a legitimate argument. I think this will be a good match, and I think many agree that it will be the most exciting the heavyweights have seen in years. I just happen to be one of the minority who believes in Haye.
I think Lennox was smart to retire on his own terms than risk injury and embarrassment. I would like to see Haye do the same. I find it more impressive to have someone unify it himself, as Tyson had to. The sad part is that the brothers will not fight each other, so it will not happen.
And, I remember the fight well. Klitscho was ahead on the scorecard, but the point of a fight and sporting event is to win. And Lennox most certainly did. It wasn't about the money for him. He went out the way he wanted to.
I do not claim to be an expert on boxing, but I used to do some amateur boxing. I stopped when I started college, because I couldn't afford to keep training timewise, moneywise, and risk of concussions while trying to study engineering.
I do, however, know enough to see your points, but still disagree with a legitimate argument. I think this will be a good match, and I think many agree that it will be the most exciting the heavyweights have seen in years. I just happen to be one of the minority who believes in Haye.
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Posted on 6/27/11 at 10:57 pm to Mr Fusion
Agree to disagree sounds good to me. I'm just excited to see Wlad angry and focused. He's always in shape and ready to fight, but sometimes he just shows up and does what's necessary to win and nothing more. In the early days he would just destroy people his punch volume was that of a middle weights. Manny calmed him down and it was to his benefit. You don't see him getting gassed anymore like he did in his three losses. I still attribute two of those to a stamina problem more than a chin problem. Sanders just knocked him the frick out. It happens when you fight in a phone booth with a dangerous southpaw and you've never been hurt before.
But I still miss those days when he just beat people down when he was first becoming a big time name.
I agree with you about Tyson. Watching a young Tyson fight was observing a thing of beauty. Just perfect in every way. Head movement, slipping punches, and that ungodly power in those short little arms. The Dynamite Kid was just that. A keg of dynamite. Of course, he lost the movement and depended on his power as he spiraled out of control. After that, it wasn't long before he turned into a shot fighter. I do blame him having to cycle on and off his psych meds while he was active. I've come off anti depressants the quick and dirty way and it really fricks you up.
That being said I hope to see you around for the fight Saturday. It's gonna be a good one.
Ever notice how no corners ever try to mix it up with the Klits corner. I guess having another 6'6 heavyweight champion in your corner shuts a lot of people up.
But I still miss those days when he just beat people down when he was first becoming a big time name.
I agree with you about Tyson. Watching a young Tyson fight was observing a thing of beauty. Just perfect in every way. Head movement, slipping punches, and that ungodly power in those short little arms. The Dynamite Kid was just that. A keg of dynamite. Of course, he lost the movement and depended on his power as he spiraled out of control. After that, it wasn't long before he turned into a shot fighter. I do blame him having to cycle on and off his psych meds while he was active. I've come off anti depressants the quick and dirty way and it really fricks you up.
That being said I hope to see you around for the fight Saturday. It's gonna be a good one.
Ever notice how no corners ever try to mix it up with the Klits corner. I guess having another 6'6 heavyweight champion in your corner shuts a lot of people up.
Posted on 6/27/11 at 11:09 pm to Mr Fusion
Dude, Lewis did not destroy Vitali, that was a very competitive fight.
Haye vs Wlad - these guys really hate each other anything less than a KO will be disappointing IMO. This is a big HW fight, can't remember the last time I said that.
Fwiw, I think the Tomasz/Vitali fight will be very entertaining too.
Haye vs Wlad - these guys really hate each other anything less than a KO will be disappointing IMO. This is a big HW fight, can't remember the last time I said that.
Fwiw, I think the Tomasz/Vitali fight will be very entertaining too.
Posted on 6/27/11 at 11:19 pm to Mr Fusion
Vladimir doesn't have Vitali's chin, and he doesn't clinch and tie up his opponent well when he's in trouble (a la Gerry Cooney). To me he's alway a risk to be KO'd. I can't get that image of Corrie Sanders knocking him down several times before stopping him. But I think Klitschko will win if he doesn't get caught early.
Posted on 6/27/11 at 11:24 pm to smash williams
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these guys really hate each other
This is one of the reasons I am so pumped.
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Lewis did not destroy Vitali
His face looked pretty bad. No way he could have gone much further without risking serious risk to his career. That cut would just keep tearing worse and worse, and that much scar tissue would keep tearing.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 12:18 am to Mr Fusion
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Lewis did destroy Vitali. He pummeled his face so bad that he couldn't see. It was one of the worst boxing cuts I have ever seen. They had to stop the fight because his face was so bloody. That sounds like a solid beating to me
You probably should youtube the fight. He had a lot of trouble with Vitali, and would have been crazy to agree to a rematch. Lewis was definitely behind on points and couldnt fight him on the outside because Vitali was the same size as him and was getting the better of it. Klitschko was never shaken in the fight whereas Lewis was very wobbly and holding on in the 2nd round. The punch that cut Vitali in the 3rd round was one of the first clean shots Lewis landed all fight. Definitely didn't pummel him. That pic is a little misleading. Lewis had a lot of trouble with Klits, and was pretty much regulated trying to surprise him coming out of breaks, or trying to land one big bomb. He was gonna have a tough time winning the fight. No way he was gonna fight him again.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 12:29 am to eddieray
I agree that Lennox was down in the beginning. He was being beaten, no questions asked. But he won the fight because he was able to land the blows that tore up Vitali so bad. The end result of the fight is more important. No one gets a belt by winning the first 5 rounds, its not like nascar where you get points for leading early on. Lewis did what he had to do to win. He got a good shot to tear up his face, then played it to his advantage to get the TKO.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 12:38 am to Mr Fusion
Yes, he definitely won on cuts and was a great fighter. I was surprised to see anyone give him a good fight at that time. He had size, speed, reach, and could punch.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 6:22 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Glad to see a heavyweight fight that people kinda give a shite about but I don't see Haye having much of a shot here. I'd love to see him win because it would make the heavyweight division much more interesting than having the two boring Klitschko bros refusing to fight each other and taking turns beating down over-matched opponents in snooze-fests. For just 1 day, the heavyweight division will seem to matter again.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 9:06 am to Mr Fusion
Vitali was not destroyed by Lewis - he was the better fighter and lost because his skin didnt hold up.
About HALF of lewis' shots to the cut were bitch punches that came during clinches.
About HALF of lewis' shots to the cut were bitch punches that came during clinches.
This post was edited on 6/28/11 at 9:09 am
Posted on 6/28/11 at 10:01 am to Mr Fusion
I'll be out of town, so I'll unfortunately miss this fight. I don't expect Haye to win, but I would like to see it happen. The heavyweight division needs a reason to be interesting again.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 10:27 am to AlejandroInHouston
I like how this thread has turned into an.argument about a fight 8 years ago, neither of which fighters is participating in this weekend.
One last bit, then I'd like to focus on the upcoming match, their trading of insults, the matchup of sizes and styles. Maybe, I misspoke, but I meant that Lewis destroyed Vitali's face. He found a weakness and exposed it. But that is the point of boxing. To find an opening, take advantage of it, and get the win.
Back to the topic though. Am I the only one who thinks Haye has a legitimate shot? Maybe it is just the fan in me, but I really think his style and speed really can get under Wlad's reach. Plus I think he wants it more.
One last bit, then I'd like to focus on the upcoming match, their trading of insults, the matchup of sizes and styles. Maybe, I misspoke, but I meant that Lewis destroyed Vitali's face. He found a weakness and exposed it. But that is the point of boxing. To find an opening, take advantage of it, and get the win.
Back to the topic though. Am I the only one who thinks Haye has a legitimate shot? Maybe it is just the fan in me, but I really think his style and speed really can get under Wlad's reach. Plus I think he wants it more.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 11:21 am to Mr Fusion
Well my stance on this fight is already well known, but the reason I think Wlad wins other than the obvious is because Haye throws looping shots and leans forward when he punches. With a fighter of Wlad's size he will have to jump and extend even more than he normally does. That will leave him wide open to a 1-2 or a 1-3 if Klit can step inside Haye's trademark looping right haymaker. Haye's chin is not the best. Admittedly, neither is Klit's, but I have to believe that if Wlad can absorb shots from Sam Peter he can absorb Hayes.
If he misses, Wlad will lean on Haye and tie him up and drain him.
Haye's foot speed trumps Wlad's
Hand speed I think they are about equal
Size is an obvious Wlad
Experience I'd say it's a push maybe Klit for being in more title fights
Chin is about equal
Punching Power the edge goes to Wlad
Haye is not gonna win a points victory against Wlad in Germany so if decides to try to bicycle the fight it will be boring as hell and he will still lose.
If he decides to mix it up there is a chance he can win with a great shot, but Wlad has never not gotten up. There won't be a one punch knockout. He'll have to do it to or three times. It could happen, but I don't see it.
I think Haye will really try to come in and work Wlad's body and key on Wlad's stamina issues and try to take the fight late. Lots of hooks to the body in the clinch when Wlad leans over and try to gas him. Make Wlad punch and miss, come in and hammer the ribs and kidneys. That's been how you break Wlad.
Still I think Wlad leans on Haye for four or five rounds and when Haye's legs start to slow down he starts to pick him apart from distance and finished him off with 2 left hooks to the dome.
If he misses, Wlad will lean on Haye and tie him up and drain him.
Haye's foot speed trumps Wlad's
Hand speed I think they are about equal
Size is an obvious Wlad
Experience I'd say it's a push maybe Klit for being in more title fights
Chin is about equal
Punching Power the edge goes to Wlad
Haye is not gonna win a points victory against Wlad in Germany so if decides to try to bicycle the fight it will be boring as hell and he will still lose.
If he decides to mix it up there is a chance he can win with a great shot, but Wlad has never not gotten up. There won't be a one punch knockout. He'll have to do it to or three times. It could happen, but I don't see it.
I think Haye will really try to come in and work Wlad's body and key on Wlad's stamina issues and try to take the fight late. Lots of hooks to the body in the clinch when Wlad leans over and try to gas him. Make Wlad punch and miss, come in and hammer the ribs and kidneys. That's been how you break Wlad.
Still I think Wlad leans on Haye for four or five rounds and when Haye's legs start to slow down he starts to pick him apart from distance and finished him off with 2 left hooks to the dome.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 11:33 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Good analysis. I think you are right, if Wlad clinches and leans his weight down a lot, Haye is in trouble. That would tire him a lot.
But I think Haye has the foot and hand speed advantage. Especially if he is in as good of shape as he and Wlad have both said he is in. I see him working the body really well early on and tiring out Wlad's ribs before going for the KO. If it goes past 10, it will go the distance, and Wlad will win. But I think the fact that he never gets up will really be his biggest challenge to overcome. My prediction stands. Haye in the 9th.
But I think Haye has the foot and hand speed advantage. Especially if he is in as good of shape as he and Wlad have both said he is in. I see him working the body really well early on and tiring out Wlad's ribs before going for the KO. If it goes past 10, it will go the distance, and Wlad will win. But I think the fact that he never gets up will really be his biggest challenge to overcome. My prediction stands. Haye in the 9th.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 12:16 pm to Mr Fusion
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I just have never been impressed by the Klitschkos. Never had a decent opponent, minus Vitali being destroyed by Lewis
Neither has Haye
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Haye is just such an athlete, and I really think he can win. He has the swagger than a Heavyweight champ needs.
Because swagger wins championships... Haye gets blitzed and thats it.. He BARELY beat Valuev who is a statue.. Who has Haye beaten or what has he done to make you think he will win this fight?? All he has done in my eyes is run his mouth then duck out of 2 fights against the Klitsckos.
Posted on 6/28/11 at 12:56 pm to Mattdaddy311
I don't think either of them has done much inside the ring to convince me yet that they are the true champion. That's why there is no unified title and why they are facing off. I am just convinced Haye's style and speed will make him the winner.
And they have been after each other for over 2 years. Both have challenged each other, and have made this fight take way longer than it should have. The Klitschkos have chosen other opponents, and Haye had his back injury last year. But the fact is that the fight is finally happening, and it has a good build up around the world. We will have to wait and see the outcome, but everyone can make a prediction and mine is that Haye can do it.
And they have been after each other for over 2 years. Both have challenged each other, and have made this fight take way longer than it should have. The Klitschkos have chosen other opponents, and Haye had his back injury last year. But the fact is that the fight is finally happening, and it has a good build up around the world. We will have to wait and see the outcome, but everyone can make a prediction and mine is that Haye can do it.
This post was edited on 6/28/11 at 1:00 pm
Posted on 6/28/11 at 1:36 pm to Mr Fusion
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Both have challenged each other, and have made this fight take way longer than it should have. The Klitschkos have chosen other opponents, and Haye had his back injury last year
truth is that Haye backed out of the fights both times.. He would talk shite to both Klitschos then sign a fight and back out. Good reason why he's called David "the ducker" Haye
Posted on 6/28/11 at 1:38 pm to eddieray
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Lewis did destroy Vitali. He pummeled his face so bad that he couldn't see. It was one of the worst boxing cuts I have ever seen. They had to stop the fight because his face was so bloody. That sounds like a solid beating to me
You probably should youtube the fight. He had a lot of trouble with Vitali, and would have been crazy to agree to a rematch. Lewis was definitely behind on points and couldnt fight him on the outside because Vitali was the same size as him and was getting the better of it.
Vitali was winning that fight - if it hadn't been stopped because of cuts he would have won easily on points if he didn't KO Lewis
Posted on 6/28/11 at 2:02 pm to molsusports
I like Wladimar because he has the cleaner more polished style. He's come a long way since the Corrie Sanders fight, Emmanuel Steward has trained him well. But Haye definitely has a punchers chance and thats why I think people are excited about this fight not to mention these guys want to kill each other(literally).
Posted on 6/28/11 at 2:15 pm to molsusports
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if it hadn't been stopped because of cuts he would have won
But it did. And no doctor in his right mind would let that fight last much longer. That's the point of TKOs and having a ringside doctor.
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