re: for those of you annointing Tebow after going 4-1 as a starter

Tebow is a bad passer right now. He will never become a good passer. But if he can improve just enough to be at least a threat with his arm, why can't he at least be a mediocre QB in the league?

Mediocre would be great for Tebow considering every KNEW he couldn't play in the league at all.

That's all I ask is that people give Tebow a fair shot to prove himself like countless others have been afforded the opportunity to.

If Tebow can get his passing game up to about 200 yds passing a game at a 50-55% clip and can still run for 50-60 yds a game and combine for 2-3 TDs with both his arm and legs, how is that any different than a QB that throws 260 yards a game? Is 8 yards through the air any better than 8 yards on the ground?

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If you honestly believe that it's just a coincidence, then I don't know what to tell you.

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I honestly don't know what to tell you if you think its all because the Great Leader Tebow is under center other than you see what you want to see. And what most people see is the QB and the myth built up around that position. much easier to give him credit than to actually look at and analyize the game. Its hard to understand that correlation does not = causeation.

You say the Broncos looked like one of the worst teams in the league simply because of their record. did you know out side of the GB loss their other 3 losses were by less than one score? Thier recent winning couldn't be because of changes/improvement in the defense after the bye or playing some bad/struggling teams? Nope, has to be the QB, because that fits the narrative.

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I honestly don't know what to tell you if you think its all because the Great Leader Tebow is under center other than you see what you want to see. And what most people see is the QB and the myth built up around that position. much easier to give him credit than to actually look at and analyize the game. Its hard to understand that correlation does not = causeation.

You say the Broncos looked like one of the worst teams in the league simply because of their record. did you know out side of the GB loss their other 3 losses were by less than one score? Thier recent winning couldn't be because of changes/improvement in the defense after the bye or playing some bad/struggling teams? Nope, has to be the QB, because that fits the narrative.

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Exactly. If a QB is playing horribly, and the team wins (see: Mark Sanchez of the last couple years), he somehow gets credit for the win. That's what Tebow fans are doing right now for him.

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55% and 200 ypg is a pretty bad QB

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It's bad but not terrible. <50% is terrible.

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Mark Sanchez of the last couple years

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exhibit A why I'm not throwing in the towel on the Texans with Matt Lienart in for Schaub.

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Tebow is a bad passer right now. He will never become a good passer. But if he can improve just enough to be at least a threat with his arm, why can't he at least be a mediocre QB in the league?

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Check Tebow's stats vs. Elway's at the same point in their career...




Tebow has more passing yards, and an almost exact opposite TD-INT ratio.

Again, Tebow is a really bad passer right now, but no one thinks the fact that his best weapons are Eric Decker, Eddie Royal, and Daniel Fells is a problem?

Or that his starting o-line is the youngest in the league? Or that Spencer Larsen and Lance Ball are getting quite a bit of carries?

You don't think he'd have 40-50 more yards passing a game if he had a legit #1 WR or TE or a pass-catching RB?

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Exactly. If a QB is playing horribly, and the team wins (see: Mark Sanchez of the last couple years), he somehow gets credit for the win. That's what Tebow fans are doing right now for him.

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You are equating QB with passer. Yes in the NFL that is what it has become but for the broncos right now the QB is a runner. Tim Tebow is doing ok with what they ask him to do. It has allowed them to control the ball and the running backs to be better. Anyone will tell you to win consistently and to win in the playoffs you have to run the football and play defense. The broncos are doing both. Tim Tebow has helped them run it. Is it pretty all the time-no. Is it the norm for a NFL qb-no. Could they win with a "real" qb-no. The guy got 92 of 95 yards on their last drive. That is definitely contributing to the win. Is the win all on him? Hed be the first to tell you NO. You brought up Sanchez I think this situation is different because Tim Tebow does things that only one other qb in the NFL can do better-Cam Newton. Sanchez is a prototypical NFL passing qb but he just sucks at it. If you put Tom Brady on the Jets he could run their offense and do it better than Sanchez. Tom Brady cant run Tebows offense. Can the NFL shut Tebows offense down? I thought they would be able to but somehow he keeps making drives when he has to. For now just admit that hes helped the broncos tremendously to get to serious playoff contention

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So I should count Sophandros in the group of people that went when Jordan Jefferson spouted off his career record as a starter at LSU this past summer?

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Of course you should.

I don't believe in attributing wins to QBs.