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re: for those of you annointing Tebow after going 4-1 as a starter
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:04 am to Sophandros
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:04 am to Sophandros
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I hate the narrative that's built up around him, just as I hate the narrative that was built up around Mark Sanchez over the last two years, and the narrative built up around Vince Young before him.
Those three are simply not good quarterbacks, yet people are running around praising them as if they are (or were) because of "record as a starter
But there isn't/wasn't as much attention given to Young and Sanchez, especially with so-called experts, former players, and announcers denegrating those players all the time. I understand that you don't think Tebow is a good qb and will not ultimately succeed. I think we all got it. No one really knows, but I hope you are wrong.
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Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:04 am to Sophandros
quote:For starters, he's not a "QB" in the modern sense of the word. Our generation simply isn't used to seeing someone behind center with his skill set.
Tell me, what has Tebow done to show that he's a good NFL QB?
He was able to pass more effectively in college because of the relative talent around him versus the opponent. But in the NFL he simply lacks the ABCs that we expect a pro QB to have.
Personally I think any improvement in his passing abilities will be marginal at best. You can't and don't learn anticipation, timing, release, etc., at this stage of the career if you haven't spent a lifetime doing it.
I've seen 11-12 yo QBs with better pocket presence and anticipation to make throws. In some cases, athletes like Tebow (and he is an amazing athlete) or VY, etc., can find success given their skills, the game plan build around them, and other factors.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:05 am to Boh
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I'd still take a lot of quarterbacks before I'd take him. I think it's fascinating how polarizing he is for just playing the position differently than the great ones do it.
Which is my argument.
Tim Tebow is a terrible quarterback. Period.
Everyone else wants to make all of these other excuses for him, but the fact remains that he's a bad QB.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:05 am to Sophandros
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So by your logic, John Skelton is a better QB than Kevin Kolb.
John Skelton very well could be a better QB than Kevin Kolb. Who the frick knows at this point?
Same exact thing with Tebow. Who the frick knows? He's only started 8 games in his career.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:06 am to xenythx
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Same exact thing with Tebow. Who the frick knows? He's only started 8 games in his career.
So why anoint him?
I'm saying RIGHT THE frick NOW, Tim Tebow is a terrible NFL quarterback.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:07 am to xenythx
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Same exact thing with Tebow. Who the frick knows? He's only started 8 games in his career
Apparently, Sophandros knows all. He needs to get on there with McShay and the other know-it-alls.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:07 am to Boh
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So it is just coincidence that the defense plays better when Tebow starts. Got it.
:facepalm:
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:09 am to Sophandros
Sophie, just stop. You're talking about sample sizes when discussing a QB who has only started half a season spread out over 2 years.
Yes right now he sucks at passing, we get that
But Jesus you're coming across like a huge pussy right now. So just give it a rest
Yes right now he sucks at passing, we get that
But Jesus you're coming across like a huge pussy right now. So just give it a rest
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:10 am to spslayto
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Apparently, Sophandros knows all. He needs to get on there with McShay and the other know-it-alls.
So you think Tebow is a good quarterback RIGHT NOW?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:10 am to spslayto
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Apparently, Sophandros knows all. He needs to get on there with McShay and the other know-it-alls.
it doesn't take an expert to see he is a bad QB right now. could he improve, i suppose, but its not likely.
When someone asks what makes him a good QB and you say "he wins", that's saying she has a good personality if someone asks what she looks like.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:10 am to Sophandros
No you are speaking dogmatically about something that you don't know
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:10 am to DelU249
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Yes right now he sucks at passing, we get that
But Jesus you're coming across like a huge pussy right now. So just give it a rest
I'm just saying that dude isn't a good QB.
Others are calling me a hater for what, stating a fact?
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:11 am to Sophandros
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So why anoint him?
WHO is anointing him other than people in Denver?
You can't argue that he's given this team a shot in the arm and that he's already a better leader than Orton. Playing QB isn't just about throwing for 400 yds per game. This situation is unique. No one is saying that he's winning these games on his own, but Denver went from looking like one of the worst teams in the league to a team that could potentially make the playoffs. If you honestly believe that it's just a coincidence, then I don't know what to tell you.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:12 am to Sophandros
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So why anoint him?
That goes both ways. Why bash him?
I think it's incorrect to say he's a good quarterback at this point, but when given an opportunity in crunch time, he has shown to be able to move the ball by running and completing a couple of passes. He's a powerful runner that takes snaps and looks ugly throwing the ball. If he were 2-3 as a starter, I doubt the bashing/anointing would be as severe.
But, for right the frick now, he's a part of a winning formula for the Broncs.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:12 am to DelU249
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No you are speaking dogmatically about something that you don't know
Provide an example of how I'm speaking dogmatically about something I don't know.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:13 am to Boh
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But, for right the frick now, he's a part of a winning formula for the Broncs.
I'm not bashing Tebow. I'm merely stating the truth that he's a bad QB.
So are guys like Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville.
Tebow plays on a team that has won four of its last five games.
Tebow is NOT the reason that they have won four of their last five games.
This post was edited on 11/18/11 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:15 am to PortCityTiger24
Good point. I don't see many people annointing him anything. Even Gator fans know he's not throwing the ball well.
I would not put it past him to get going good right now.
He's kind of hand cuffed with the receivers he has right now. It's like the Jags. There never seems to be a wide open receiver on the field for him to hit.
Heck, Sanchez struggled last night and he had open receivers a lot.
I would not put it past him to get going good right now.
He's kind of hand cuffed with the receivers he has right now. It's like the Jags. There never seems to be a wide open receiver on the field for him to hit.
Heck, Sanchez struggled last night and he had open receivers a lot.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:15 am to Sophandros
What I don't think anyone gets is that tebow still hasn't been given a chance to run a conventional offense. That last drive he did and moved the ball well. Last year he did, and showed promise.
He's only played in 8 games so for you to compare him to established failures like Vince Young who had opportunities under actual NFL coaching staffs is really premature
And yes he can't pass right now, but he's an awesome rusher and that is helping his team more than orton's passing was.
He's only played in 8 games so for you to compare him to established failures like Vince Young who had opportunities under actual NFL coaching staffs is really premature
And yes he can't pass right now, but he's an awesome rusher and that is helping his team more than orton's passing was.
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:15 am to Sophandros
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So are guys like Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville.
Well of course. Miller has to be in the running for defensive ROY at this point IMO
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Tebow plays on a team that has won four of its last five games.
Tebow is NOT the reason that they have won four of their last five games.
Come on, he contributed to the wins. By slim margins, sure, but he has produced when necessary to win some games
Posted on 11/18/11 at 10:17 am to DelU249
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he's an awesome rusher and that is helping his team more than orton's passing was.
Speaking the truth
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