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re: Evangel wins four titles in six years 5A then is forced to drop to 1A. 2018
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:07 pm to chalmetteowl
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:07 pm to chalmetteowl
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Evangel WAS 1A and Curtis WAS 2A. The play in class people had a point
yeah sure owl
except they were 1A and 2A schools with 100+ boys in grades 9-12 out for the football team because they were football factories run by the football coaches
lets push down these 1A and 2A schools with 5A roster numbers to play teams with 30 to 40 boys out for football in 9-12 grades
btw how was play in class supposed to rectify the situation? by pushing them down and ECA and JCC winning in their class it limited the PRESTIGE of the Championship they won
what an absolute shite message across the board to the players in 5A, 4A and 2A, 1A
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Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:24 pm to EvrybodysAllAmerican
quote:correct on 91 but consider this before the split ONLY TWO privates(not named ECA) won the biggest class at the time Shaw in 87 and Rummel in 2012.
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It was pretty balanced if you look at brackets and started sliding in 80s
In 4a in 80s only 1 private won state and 2 runner ups
5 a didn’t have a private title till ECA
I dont think there was a class 5A until 1991. Thats around the time the private schools started to become football factories.
when JC was in 4A 1991 through 2004(play in class after that) JC won 8 titles and was runner up 3 times - the only other private to win 4A during that time was Redemptorist.
when jc was in 3A 50-90 they won 5 titles and in 2A one they "arrived" they won 7 titles and two runner ups in 10 seasons. 2a "play in class years they won 7 titles and two runner ups in 8 years(and ECA was the champ)
ECA once they "arrived"
in 1A 2 in row and 2 in a row in play in class
in 2A 2 in a row in 2 years.
3A 2 in a row
skipped 4A
5A in 6 seasons 4 titles and 1 runner up
D1 select 1 and then hard times hit
no other privates had pre split or post split runs anything like that
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:25 pm to supatigah
quote:3A for a year too
what an absolute shite message across the board to the players in 5A, 4A and 2A, 1A
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:30 pm to supatigah
quote:opened in 1981 and has 5 titles and 3 runner ups and were not very good until 96-97
Parkview Baptist
baseball
several privates in BR popped up after Judge Parker's ruling
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:43 pm to choupiquesushi
the glaring situation with PBS was the basketball team hiring Donald Green and then out of nowhere having 6 D1 prospects on the same roster
there was some wild stuff going on in Louisiana HS Basketball in the 90s and 2000s
there was some wild stuff going on in Louisiana HS Basketball in the 90s and 2000s
Posted on 10/30/24 at 3:59 pm to supatigah
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by pushing them down and ECA and JCC winning in their class it limited the PRESTIGE of the Championship they won
it raised the prestige of the 1A and 2A championships because of whom had them
There were a few close calls
Posted on 10/30/24 at 4:05 pm to chalmetteowl
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There were a few close calls
2005 John Curtis 31, St. Charles 6
J. T. Curtis Jr. (10-1) Frank Monica (11-3)
2006 John Curtis 41, St. Charles 7
J. T. Curtis Jr. (14-0) Frank Monica (12-3)
2007 John Curtis 28, St. James 13
J. T. Curtis Jr. (13-1) Rick Gaille (12-3)
2008 John Curtis 35, Evangel 14
J. T. Curtis Jr. (13-1) John Bachman (13-1)
2009 Evangel 18, John Curtis 13
John Bachman (14-1) J. T. Curtis Jr. (13-1)
2010 Evangel 28, John Curtis 14
Phillip Deas (12-2) J. T. Curtis Jr. (12-2)
2011 John Curtis 33, Winnfield 3
J. T. Curtis Jr. (14-0) Andy Pyles (14-1)
2012 John Curtis 35, Evangel 13
J.T. Curtis Jr. (14-0) Phillip Deas (12-3)
2005 Evangel 42, Opelousas Catholic 7
Dennis Dunn (12-3) Doug Guillory (12-3)
2006 Evangel 24, St. John 7
Ronnie Alexander (12-2) Eric Willis (14-1)
and for good measure 2013 John Curtis 32*, University 0
J.T. Curtis Jr (12-2) Chad Mahaffey (13-1)
now go look as many of the playoff scores from then...
This post was edited on 10/30/24 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 10/30/24 at 4:50 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
now go look as many of the playoff scores from then...
I just know John Curtis lost to St James in the regular season, and Evangel had overtime games in the playoffs…
Posted on 10/30/24 at 5:06 pm to chalmetteowl
quote:2 against exceptional teams kentwood and capitol(both of whom had what was likely their best teams in school history - if my memory is right the Capitol game was a snow game)
overtime games in the playoffs…
Posted on 10/30/24 at 7:20 pm to choupiquesushi
the LHSAA didnt intend to uplift 1A and 2A and 3A, they intended to bury ECA and JCC in the lower and less pretigious classes
which is just terrible all the way around and was not at all meant for the best interests of the kids
the private school multiplier is the answer to the problem to me but now with privates, magnets, charters, school of choice, academies, etc they should just go back to old way of doing things
antendance zones dont mean anything anymore
which is just terrible all the way around and was not at all meant for the best interests of the kids
the private school multiplier is the answer to the problem to me but now with privates, magnets, charters, school of choice, academies, etc they should just go back to old way of doing things
antendance zones dont mean anything anymore
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:31 pm to supatigah
Any multiplier would have powerhouses way too low
Posted on 10/30/24 at 8:51 pm to choupiquesushi
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Any multiplier would have powerhouses way too low
Powerhouses change though… did anyone think Evangel would ever have an 0-Fer season? Or Many. They’ve gone from 2A power house to terrible in 2 years
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:06 pm to chalmetteowl
Quit focusing on outliers
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:12 pm to choupiquesushi
quote:
Quit focusing on outliers
Curtis and Evangel are two schools out of 300+ and we’ve turned around the whole association over them
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:17 pm to chalmetteowl
No play in class we never have split
7 schools that pushed it caused it
7 schools that pushed it caused it
Posted on 10/30/24 at 10:53 pm to The Torch
Brock Berlin
Posted on 10/31/24 at 12:23 am to supatigah
All this thread has done is bring up old wounds about losing to John Curtis 34-14 in the 2008 quarterfinals in 2A. If they were in 5A where they belonged, we (St. Thomas Aquinas) would've finished undefeated and won it all imo. Taking that to my grave lol.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 9:31 am to supatigah
quote:
I know way more about this kind of stuff than I care to, both second hand and personally
Regretfully, I am in the same boat.
quote:
what is naive is thinking that ECA and JCC were some sort of outliers or unique
No, I completely agree. Those 2 where just the whipping boys. I would prefer that light be shined equally across all sports that "illegally recruited" albeit private or public. I am blind to what sport it is and would want all that cheated held accountable.
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Did they cheat? absolutely not
Were they dominant? yes
How did they do it? Coaching, culture and a massive club team that channeled kids into the program.
So your example to abscond ECA and JCC is cherry picking a B class volley ball program? You are comparing apples and oranges here and by your logic ECA/JCC just cared more about football? ECA/JCC had a culture alright and they definitely "channeled" kids into the program.
It appears as if in your eyes, ECA/JCC did nothing wrong and were punished for being to good?
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:02 am to Jim Hopper
Yeah amazing what you can do with the amount of talent they had. The best athletes that they could recruit.
Posted on 10/31/24 at 10:52 am to GhostofLesticleMiles
quote:
So your example to abscond ECA and JCC is cherry picking a B class volley ball program? You are comparing apples and oranges here and by your logic ECA/JCC just cared more about football? ECA/JCC had a culture alright and they definitely "channeled" kids into the program.
that is a big cherry I picked bro, they have the national record for consecutive state titles in all sports
the record and run by ESA was celebrated by most, I dont recall any outrage or accusations being cast their way. there certainly were never any accusations about ESA being a “volleyball factory” since it has an academic standard and student output that is elite in the State of LA
was the ire of the LHSAA Exec Committee directed to ECA and JCC just about winning and dominance and being perceived as “football factories?”
or was it more about their attitude? JT said for decades if we are cheating then prove it. Dunn and Duron were far more brazen and arrogant and public about what they were doing at ECA
or was it more about the sport they dominated and WHO they beat?
choupique said it here, the play in class proposal was put forward at the behest of seven schools because of football.
The LHSAA made a sport and a class problem an Association problem
I think the single biggest mistake Tommy Henry made was allowing ECA and JCC to be linked in the discussions about what to do.
To me they are two distinctly different situations.
I am not an ECA fan or apologist in any way
this was a bad situation that went away pretty quietly, but it seems like there was some smoke
ETA: by the way it must be said, any investigation by the LHSAA must be initiated by a formal complaint from a Principal of an LHSAA member school. So if Principals filed formal complaints on JCC and ECA they were investigated. Same applies to every other member school. So why dont we have more formal complaints filed? Why dont more Principals force the issue and put their cards on the table?
This post was edited on 10/31/24 at 12:25 pm
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