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re: Eric Reid says he doesn't plan to protest during anthem, will take 'different approach'
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:56 am to lsutigers1992
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:56 am to lsutigers1992
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Why is it so difficult for you people to comprehend that protesting the National Anthem and protesting DURING the National Anthem are two completely different and unrelated things?
So it would be OK if I pissed on your Mom's grave as long as I meant no disrespect to your Mom?
Dude, please don't be angry or offended, I'm only "raising awareness" about the unfair high prices of the Marble Cutters Industry! It has nothing to do with your Mom! The Marble Cutters are gouging grieving families for profit! I CANNOT BELIEVE YOU ARE MISUNDERSTANDING ME ABOUT THIS WHOLE THING!
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Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:57 am to RLDSC FAN
Im really more interested in what type of money and contract length hed like. He has been inconsistent over the last few years with injuries and level of play but still has the potential to be a solid player. You throw in his "protest" and you have a guy that isnt as attractive otherwise especially depending on monetary demands.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:57 am to lsutigers1992
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Well...he told people what he was doing and they didn't care
Kaepernick's own words when the anthem protests first started:
"I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses black people and people of color"
Posted on 3/23/18 at 11:59 am to Open Your Eyes
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For as misguided as he is, at least kaepernick has consistently stood by his beliefs and continued his fight, and deserves at least some respect for that.
Nope, he also told owners he would stop kneeling if they would let him play.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:00 pm to DeionDeion
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people that think it was about the flag prove my point about reactionary culture because they got caught up in the politicization of their protest.
maybe 5% believe this. Everyone knew wat it was about, kaep said it over and over. The point is do it at another time, not during the anthem.
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Whether you agree with their stance is irrelevant, people can do/think/believe whatever the hell they want, it’s America
so can an employer. So he made his decision, and can now deal with it.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:01 pm to DeionDeion
“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color....”
-Colin Kaepernick
It doesn’t matter whether or not the intention was to disrespect troops. Protesting during the anthem was in poor taste.
Honestly, my biggest issue is with the networks/media for making this an issue. They should have just stuck to football.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:09 pm to Open Your Eyes
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So you're sure they were successful in bringing awareness?
Proportionally, I would say no, and kudos to all the dolts who hurrdurred their way into misdirecting their thoughts to "they hate America and the military".
Gross numbers? Yes, they were successful. You still having to distract their thoughts (even if I don't agree with it) with ad hominems is demonstrative of them still having success at it.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:15 pm to KingofthePoint
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So can an employer. So he made his decusion, and can now deal with it.
I don’t disagree with you. He made a stance and he has to live with the consequences of it
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It doesn’t matter whether or not the intention was to disrespect troops. Protesting during the anthem was in poor taste.
Honestly, my biggest issue is with the networks/media for making this an issue. They should have just stuck to football.
Both very valid points. The media went nuts which was/is still so annoying.
The flag was a risky option to go in in the first place and then they made the mistake of pushing their luck too far by continuing to do it after the firestorm that ensued
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“I am not going to stand up to show pride in a flag for a country that oppresses Black people and people of color....” -Colin Kaepernick
And while I feel like I understand his frustration, you can’t group everyone into a broad category like that. So yea that was for sure misguided
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:18 pm to DeionDeion
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But I’ll say that the people that think it was about the flag prove my point about reactionary culture because they got caught up in the politicization of their protest.
You can bang your head and shake your fist all you want. The fact is, if you want to start a movement then getting people to correctly understand the message of your movement is #1 of the list of priorities.
It was clear from the outset that, even if kaepernick and Reid were truthful when saying it wasn't about the flag/anthem, the message they were intending to get across was being misinterpreted.
Instead of finding another way to get their message out, they kept doing the same thing. And the message kept being misinterpreted. That in itself calls into question how genuine they were in saying it wasn't about the flag/anthem. But that's a different debate.
It simply cannot be argued that their method was ineffective and counterproductive because it led to their intended message being misinterpreted.
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It wasn’t about the flag but it was perceived that way because people saw kneeling during the anthem and then made a split second decision it’s wrong and blocked out all reasoning to why he was doing it (reactionary). It was politicized that way so that if you agreed with the kneeling you were labeled as a person that hated America.
Not only did they choose a poor method. They chose a method that would lead to very strong disagreement and protest from a very large percentage of the people they claimed they were trying to reach. And they continued doing it, even after it became very apparent it wasn't working.
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They did accomplish their goal because a year later it’s still a hot topic of discussion.
Them kneeling for the anthem is a hot topic.
Debate over whether or not they are disrespecting the anthem/flag is a hot topic.
Where is their supposed intended message a hot topic?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:33 pm to Open Your Eyes
I agree, their message got lost in all of this insanity. Because just like CNN made a side show of the Parklnd shooting, the media (and non-media) takes a situation to get their point across instead of listening/trying to understand others. Part of it was Kaep and Reid’s fault not making themselves more clear, part of it was Kaep saying inflammatory things, part of it was the media creating a firestorm of reaction & politization, part of it was citizens that took the bait, part of it was fans making it more about the troops, and I’m sure I’m missing others that took the situation to get their point across.
The crazy thing is that I don’t really disagree with you and a lot of other posts in here. My point is that there were a lot of factors in play and a lot of people/sides have blame. It’s never as simple as one person takes all the blame
The crazy thing is that I don’t really disagree with you and a lot of other posts in here. My point is that there were a lot of factors in play and a lot of people/sides have blame. It’s never as simple as one person takes all the blame
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 12:39 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:35 pm to DeionDeion
quote:Please explain the layers of this nuanced situation.
The problem is we live in a reactionary culture that doesn’t know how to go deeper than one layer.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 12:41 pm to RLDSC FAN
Good. I hope all these kneeling cocksuckers lose big money over this stunt. It made football season unbearable with all the useless threads it started. Sports should stick with sports, just like hollywood should stick to acting.
Want to make a statement, do it outside of your entertainment role.
Want to make a statement, do it outside of your entertainment role.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:01 pm to DeionDeion
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My point is that there were a lot of factors in play and a lot of people/sides have blame. It’s never as simple as one person takes all the blame
There are definitely multiple parties responsible for getting to the point we are with this.
However, if you're trying start a movement/institute change/raise awareness/etc, the responsibility falls on you and you alone to make sure your intentions and message are clearly understood by the people you are trying to reach. If people are misinterpreting your message, or the media is misrepresenting your message, it's your responsibility to figure out how to correct that. Your audience and the media don't owe you anything, you're the one trying to change something. They'll possibly actively try to sabotage your efforts if they disagree with you enough. It's never going to be easy to accomplish.
In that respect, kaepernick/Reid/the group that chooses to kneel should and is rightfully receiving all of the blame here. It's their responsibility to find a more effective way to communicate their message, not the media or the fans or the general public.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:06 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:oh they will. He's a damn good football player who can help his team win. Maybe he's asking too much?
aka PLEASE SOMEONE SIGN ME
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:06 pm to RLDSC FAN
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Eric Reid says he doesn't plan to protest during anthem, will take 'different approach'
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Reid says he is not planning to protest during the national anthem this upcoming season.
SELLOUT SELLOUT
You're either ALL IN on the cause or you're not, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Last I checked Michael Bennett, Chris Long, Malcolm Jenkins, Richard Sherman and Marcus Peters among others did what they did and are currently still on NFL teams earning contract compensation so obviously ER's current situation is more than simply the kneeling, there's more layers to it and the sooner he comprehends that the more enlightened his perspective will be and the less likely he'll capitulate and beg further like he just did and strive to be a martyr.
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 1:13 pm to beaverfever
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Please explain the layers of this nuanced situation.
From my point of view (fan), kneeling disrespects the flag because I always stood for it & respected it and my family fought for it (there are a bunch of reasons to be angry). So when I get frustrated and angry. Part of it is justified. But part of it challenges the beliefs that I grew up with and the ones that make me who I am. And because of my insecurities, I want to prove that the way I live/believe my life is best.
Distracted my our own insecurities, I am unable to even attempt to understand why he is kneeling because I’m too focused on defending the statues and beliefs that make me who I am. Which takes the form of saying Kaep is unAmerican, saying he’s an idiot, he’s ungrateful, he’s disrespecting the troops (part of this is true), etc
On the other side, Kaep has the same issues/insecurities manifesting in different ways. He has frustrations about the culture that he sees (whether right or wrong it’s his perception). But because he’s a public figure, he believes he needs to speak up for those that cannot (maybe to fulfill a sense of purpose or to seek acceptance from the black community because they don’t respect him for being adopted by a white family, who knows). So he’s doing what he thinks is right by protesting because he has a platform as a popular NFL player. One that I’m sure he knows will alienate him in some circles but also make him out to be a hero in others.
There are even more layers to it, but each person gets caught up at a different one and makes a huge fuss about it. But humans are complex and there’s always a whole bunch of other shite going on beneath the surface. That’s what I mean by layers
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Open Your Eyes
I’ve agreed with about 99% of the stuff you’ve said chief
This post was edited on 3/23/18 at 1:33 pm
Posted on 3/23/18 at 2:00 pm to Open Your Eyes
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It's funny that you chose to consistently ignore them when you were employed, but all of a sudden hear what they're saying when you're unemployed.
That's why I have always said, if these guys really wanted to protest racial injustice, or whatever. Sit out games. Refuse to play. That is the only way they can prove to me that they aren't doing this to show me that they aren't just jumping on a bandwagon. And you see, when the checks are no longer rolling in, or nobody wants them around, they change their tunes.
Posted on 3/23/18 at 2:12 pm to DeionDeion
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DeionDeion
Good discussion is always fun
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:33 pm to DeionDeion
but it was perceived that way because people saw kneeling during the anthem and then made a split second decision it’s wrong and blocked out all reasoning to why he was doing it (reactionary). It was politicized that way so that if you agreed with the kneeling you were labeled as a person that hated America.
Wrong. This is the way those supporting black lives matter movement want to paint the backlash against Kaep, Reid and the others so as to label those opposing as reactionary lunkheads. But it was the medium AND the message that people found reprehensible. On the face of it, the charges of supposed police targeting blacks and minorities didn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. The kneelers were just grabbing attention on a fabricated issue that they thought imbued them with some kind of moral righteousness. And when the Philistines on the right called their cause into question, it was easier to dismiss the opposition as the unwashed masses confusing the flag with the cause. Because, after all, the holiness of the cause can't be questioned, can it?
Wrong. This is the way those supporting black lives matter movement want to paint the backlash against Kaep, Reid and the others so as to label those opposing as reactionary lunkheads. But it was the medium AND the message that people found reprehensible. On the face of it, the charges of supposed police targeting blacks and minorities didn't stand up to the slightest bit of scrutiny. The kneelers were just grabbing attention on a fabricated issue that they thought imbued them with some kind of moral righteousness. And when the Philistines on the right called their cause into question, it was easier to dismiss the opposition as the unwashed masses confusing the flag with the cause. Because, after all, the holiness of the cause can't be questioned, can it?
Posted on 3/23/18 at 6:38 pm to RLDSC FAN
Anyone shitting on Reid for "capitulating" needs to be praising Kaep
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