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re: Eric Mangini fired
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:17 am to Kracka
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:17 am to Kracka
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Typical good player on a team surrounded by skill players who were having a career season.
yeah, it is complete luck that Ryan Grant had a career season last year and that Thomas Jones had a career year this year. Nothing to do with Favre. I guess if he plays for the Bills next year and Lynch has a career year, then Favre still isn't any good, right?
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Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:19 am to SPEEDY
Can't believe Wade made is longer than Eric.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:20 am to Hot Carl
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A better question is why they vote for the Pro Bowl before the end of the season anyway?
pro bowl teams are picked waaaaaaaay too early .. look at the rosters, carl and look at how many players on there had crappy decembers and their teams folded ..
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:23 am to hashtag
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yeah, it is complete luck that Ryan Grant had a career season last year and that Thomas Jones had a career year this year. Nothing to do with Favre. I guess if he plays for the Bills next year and Lynch has a career year, then Favre still isn't any good, right?
Farve was brought to the Jets for that game yesterday. To win that game. But in typical Farve fashion, he laid an egg with bad decisions. The pick six was right up his alley.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:26 am to Kracka
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Farve was brought to the Jets for that game yesterday. To win that game. But in typical Farve fashion, he laid an egg with bad decisions. The pick six was right up his alley.
I asked you a different question that the one you attempted to answer. Yes, the pick 6 was awful. And, so was the INT in OT last year that kept the Pack out of the Super Bowl.
But, neither team is close to what they were with Brett if he's sitting at home. And, someone writing his success off as luck because he has a little bit of talent and every RB and all WRs he plays with have breakout years is a bit of a stretch. Especially when it happens two years in a row on two different teams.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:30 am to hashtag
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But, neither team is close to what they were with Brett if he's sitting at home. And, someone writing his success off as luck because he has a little bit of talent and every RB and all WRs he plays with have breakout years is a bit of a stretch. Especially when it happens two years in a row on two different teams.
Personally I didn't find the Jets any worse with Chad Pennington. He was hurt alot. He was just as bad as Favre. The packers would have been just as bad this year if Favre would have been their QB. He was once a great QB. Now he is just average, and gets by on his name.
P.S. If Grant does't have a breakout year last year, the Pack doesn't get into the playoffs. Period. I don't put that on Favre.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:33 am to Kracka
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If Grant does't have a breakout year last year, the Pack doesn't get into the playoffs. Period. I don't put that on Favre.
And, I guess that the Jets have no shot if Thomas Jones doesn't have his best year this year?
Why did both RBs have career years with Favre as QB and not with Pennington/Rodgers?
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:34 am to hashtag
The same reason why the losing superbowl team rarely makes the playoffs after making the super bowl. It's just one of those things that happen.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:37 am to Kracka
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The same reason why the losing superbowl team rarely makes the playoffs after making the super bowl. It's just one of those things that happen.
Great answer.
What about the fact that he took a 4-12 team and even had them in contention for the playoffs?
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:40 am to hashtag
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What about the fact that he took a 4-12 team and even had them in contention for the playoffs?
and in the same breath you could also say kept them out of contention. It's the same rap against Favre, he can get you in the mix, but his countless bad decisions and numerous int's cost them the wildcard. Plain and simple.
In the end what is the difference between a player like Favre and Drew Brees? Both are very good, but the difference between the saints and the jets is an offensive line and a defense that can stop people. What does a running back need to get yards.......an offensive line. Obviously both the pack and the jets had them, point in case why both jones and Grant had career seasons. But Farve, Brett fricking Farve is the reason why both lost in their respective situations. Yes Farve can produce in some situations where other qb's fail, but his downside always.....always rears it's ugly head in crucial situations.
This post was edited on 12/29/08 at 10:44 am
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:40 am to hashtag
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What about the fact that he took a 4-12 team and even had them in contention for the playoffs?
the better question is what about the quarterback of that 4-12 team taking a 1-15 team to an 11-5 season and winning a division title ?? if that doesn't tell you anything about the jets personnel, nothing will ..
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:47 am to TigahRag
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if that doesn't tell you anything about the jets personnel, nothing will ..
But it doesn't really matter because Mangini is done, because Farve couldn't produce when it counts. No one is really holding him accountable. They should not re-sign him. Why fire a coach, because a player who is has one foot in the grave career wise cannot play for him. Bad decisions all around. But they almost fired Mangini the last two years, so I am not surprised.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:48 am to SPEEDY
speedy, i've been told to ask you to search for and bump a thread ron mexico made calling the cowboys the new patriots
Posted on 12/29/08 at 10:52 am to Maximus
This thread was supposed to be about Mangini. not Favre. Mangini made ridiculous coacing decions punt don't etc and his fate was sealed. The masses wanted him out. pray for Cowher. I am going past Giants Stadium in an hour for a Job Interview. Sorry Eric but I hope I get the job today!
Posted on 12/29/08 at 11:02 am to Maximus
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a thread ron mexico made calling the cowboys the new patriots
so is romo the new brady too ?
Posted on 12/29/08 at 12:56 pm to hashtag
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And, I guess that the Jets have no shot if Thomas Jones doesn't have his best year this year?
his best year ever wasn't much better than his last 2. just b/c he got more goaline carries doesn't mean he's amazing now
he is what he is, and has been for years
Posted on 12/29/08 at 12:58 pm to hashtag
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What about the fact that he took a 4-12 team and even had them in contention for the playoffs?
do you know how much they spent this offseason on acquisitions not named brett favre?
Posted on 12/29/08 at 1:00 pm to SlowFlowPro
So at the beginning of the year Favre enjoyed Mangini and the Jets because they were winning and Favre was doing well. Now that Favre started to play like complete shite, he doesn't like Mangini? WTF Favre im so tired of hearing your bullshite just retire already, and this time stay retired you big ego mofo.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 1:19 pm to mhsdeuce07
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and this time stay retired you big ego mofo
is name calling really necessary when talking about one of the league greats who has always played with a great passion for the game? And I highly doubt the Jets front office made this decision based on a player who might be around for 1 more year.
Posted on 12/29/08 at 1:30 pm to josh336
yes, yes it is
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