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re: Dwight Howard,.. the quiet cancer
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:18 pm to AmericanSpirit
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:18 pm to AmericanSpirit
quote:He's been to the conference finals 3 times and to the NBA Finals once. He (should) have been the MVP the year Derrick Rose won. He's an 8x all-star and 3x defensive player of the year. He is far from a loser on the basketball court. He's a future hall of famer.
Look, he's a winner as far as the fact that he's a millionaire, but with his physical talent and specimen he absolutely is a loser on the basketball court.
quote:He's really not all that talented. He was insanely athletic. He was never very skilled offensively.
Anyone who has that much innate talent and doesn't even tap into 50% of it is a loser IMO.
quote:I didn't know this before he came to Houston... but the guy does more in the community than any player I've ever seen. He is always doing things for kids. He is making more out of his situation as a basketaball star than any player in the league. It's very commendable.
A guy who works his arse off making $10/hour at McDonald's but is achieving the most he can given his situations is more of a winner than a guy liek Dwight Howard.
quote:Houston cannot trade him because of his contract situation.
Also, he really has no character whatsoever, very unlikeable person. I honestly think Houston should trade him while he still has value, because he has nowhere to go but down. His PER has dropped below 20 this year, and he'll be 31 next year.
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Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:42 pm to AmericanSpirit
quote:And also because he's better at his job than 99.9999% of this board and everyone in America.
Look, he's a winner as far as the fact that he's a millionaire
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but with his physical talent and specimen he absolutely is a loser on the basketball court
quote:Ugh boy.
I honestly think Houston should trade him while he still has value
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:43 pm to AmericanSpirit
Yeah, I think everyone who has ever competed on a team can see he's a fake tough guy bitch.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 3:46 pm to PrimeTime Money
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He's really not all that talented. He was insanely athletic. He was never very skilled offensively.
Mmmmmm, hate to be a stickler but the athleticism is talent. Talent is what you are gifted with. Skills are what you learn. By the definition of the word he is extraordinarily talented.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 10:57 pm to shel311
99.9999% of this board? I'm sure we have some great people on this board including doctors and lawyers and people who are making a real contribution to society rather than just entertaining. Hell if Les Miles is on this board that's one person alone who is better at his job than Dwight Howard.
Of course he does some things off the court, this is part of establishing a fake image. I've read that he's one of the whiniest cry baby bitches and nobody likes playing with him, but hey... he gives some of his absurd amounts of $ to the kids just so people can think he's Superman.
He is a soft player mentally, he honestly doesn't even belong in the hall of fame.
Of course he does some things off the court, this is part of establishing a fake image. I've read that he's one of the whiniest cry baby bitches and nobody likes playing with him, but hey... he gives some of his absurd amounts of $ to the kids just so people can think he's Superman.
He is a soft player mentally, he honestly doesn't even belong in the hall of fame.
Posted on 4/8/16 at 11:19 pm to AmericanSpirit
quote:So you think there are doctors and Lawyers and others on this board who, at their peak, were one of the 3 best in the world at what they do? You think way too highly of MSB posters, apparently.
99.9999% of this board? I'm sure we have some great people on this board including doctors and lawyers and people who are making a real contribution to society rather than just entertaining
quote:Sounds like a... uhhh...totally rational take.
Of course he does some things off the court, this is part of establishing a fake image. I've read that he's one of the whiniest cry baby bitches and nobody likes playing with him, but hey... he gives some of his absurd amounts of $ to the kids just so people can think he's Superman
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:02 am to shel311
His peak was like 3 years... greatness is about longevity in the NBA
I'll admit from 2008-2010 he definitely was one of the 3 best players in the world.
But that's such a short time, Lebron was the best player in the world from 2008-2015, Kobe was a top 5 player from 2001-2011, Garnett was a top 5 player from 2000-2008, CP3 has been a top 5 player from 2008-2016, Durant has been a top 5 player from 2010-2016, Dirk was a top 5 player from 2003-2011, greatness is about sustainability in the NBA
I'll admit from 2008-2010 he definitely was one of the 3 best players in the world.
But that's such a short time, Lebron was the best player in the world from 2008-2015, Kobe was a top 5 player from 2001-2011, Garnett was a top 5 player from 2000-2008, CP3 has been a top 5 player from 2008-2016, Durant has been a top 5 player from 2010-2016, Dirk was a top 5 player from 2003-2011, greatness is about sustainability in the NBA
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:03 am to AmericanSpirit
He still has 3-4 quality years left... he can prove me wrong even if by being a BETA on a title contending team.
The reality is, he's only been on 2 teams worth considering title contenders, and that's the 2009 Magic which got dominated by the Lakers and benefited from KG blowing knee out (still went to 7 without KG), and the 2010 Magic that were steamrolling all the way to the ECF.
The reality is, he's only been on 2 teams worth considering title contenders, and that's the 2009 Magic which got dominated by the Lakers and benefited from KG blowing knee out (still went to 7 without KG), and the 2010 Magic that were steamrolling all the way to the ECF.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:04 am to Goldrush25
His post game has always been abysmal... he's never been a dominant offensive force and is often times a black hole on that end of the court.
In his very prime he was given fits by Kendrik Perkins... and in the 2009 NBA Finals Andrew Bynum outplayed him and frustrated the hell out of him.
And we haven't really heard much from him since.
In his very prime he was given fits by Kendrik Perkins... and in the 2009 NBA Finals Andrew Bynum outplayed him and frustrated the hell out of him.
And we haven't really heard much from him since.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:34 am to AmericanSpirit
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Kobe was a top 5 player from 2001-2011
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Lebron was the best player in the world from 2008-2015
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CP3 has been a top 5 player from 2008-2016
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Garnett was a top 5 player from 2000-2008quote:
Dirk was a top 5 player from 2003-2011,
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'll admit from 2008-2010 he definitely was one of the 3 best players in the world.
So, say in 2008 (the one overlapping year from the ranges above), your top five is Kobe, LBJ, CP3, KG and Dirk? Then you say D12 is a top 3 in that year?
It's evident you're talking out of your arse. D12 was a top 5 player 2008/2009-2012 and has been top 15 up until arguably last season.
I don't see how his peak was short in any sense?
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:37 am to AmericanSpirit
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he can prove me wrong even if by being a BETA on a title contending team.
Was Ray Allen a nobody until he got to Boston? Dirk until he won a title? KG had the same struggles as Dwight and never made it out of the West. He didn't get a title until he became a "BETA on a title contending team."
Your words, not mine.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:39 am to theducks
While I obviously don't agree with what OP is going on about, I do give KG a pass on never winning the west because he just happened to come up in a western conference that you weren't winning unless you were the spurs or Lakers
Posted on 4/9/16 at 2:45 am to AmericanSpirit
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His post game has always been abysmal... he's never been a dominant offensive force and is often times a black hole on that end of the court.
Agree and disagree. His post game sucks. True. Though so does Deandre Jordan's One has averaged 20 ppg over the course of a full season without a superstar PG and PF on his team. Deandre is not dominant. Dwight WAS a force to reckon with.
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In his very prime he was given fits by Kendrik Perkins... and in the 2009 NBA Finals Andrew Bynum outplayed him and frustrated the hell out of him.
Lillard had a hard time getting by Patrick Beverly. 6'10" Kevin Durant had a hell of a time trying to get a quality off against Tony Allen when they faced in the playoffs. Lebron was held to 17 ppg in the finals against the MAVS, which had wing defenders such a Terry, Kidd, Marion, Barea, Peja and Stevenson.
That LAL frontcourt was monstrous.
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And we haven't really heard much from him since.
Okay dude. Have a goodnight.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 10:05 am to AmericanSpirit
quote:He'll be a legit HOF candidate, probably getting in.
His peak was like 3 years... greatness is about longevity in the NBA
I'll admit from 2008-2010 he definitely was one of the 3 best players in the world.
But that's such a short time, Lebron was the best player in the world from 2008-2015, Kobe was a top 5 player from 2001-2011, Garnett was a top 5 player from 2000-2008, CP3 has been a top 5 player from 2008-2016, Durant has been a top 5 player from 2010-2016, Dirk was a top 5 player from 2003-2011, greatness is about sustainability in the NBA
But yea, keep telling me how so many MSB posters have better resumes than that.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 11:42 am to WestCoastAg
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I do give KG a pass on never winning the west because he just happened to come up in a western conference that you weren't winning unless you were the spurs or Lakers
This.
Posted on 4/9/16 at 12:20 pm to AmericanSpirit
I'm still salty about him running SVG out of town, imploding the team, and leaving us with nothing of value. It's been somewhat gratifying to see him crush the Lakers and now faltering with Houston.
But those Magic teams were not flukes. Stan Van is an awesome coach and made the best out of the pieces Otis Smith gave him.
But those Magic teams were not flukes. Stan Van is an awesome coach and made the best out of the pieces Otis Smith gave him.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:09 am to shel311
Is Dirk a legit HoF candidate?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:11 am to theducks
I'm not talking out of my arse, I'm just too lazy to post the stats to support my claims.
And again, the title of the thread is QUIET cancer... as in, he is putting up monster stats, and was no doubt one of the best players in the world for a short while.
But he simply doesn't win... he simply doesn't win
The Lakers were projected to be a 65 win team with his addition, and they went to shite.
The Rockets haven't done much the last 2 years and were projected to be a dominant force this year.
He can be a part of the championship equation of a team, but not a major one... and it has nothing to do with his athletic talent and everything to do with his weak mentality.
Anyone else get annoyed when he does the fake yell as to insinuate he was fouled? Why? Just so he can go shoot 45% from the foul line?
And again, the title of the thread is QUIET cancer... as in, he is putting up monster stats, and was no doubt one of the best players in the world for a short while.
But he simply doesn't win... he simply doesn't win
The Lakers were projected to be a 65 win team with his addition, and they went to shite.
The Rockets haven't done much the last 2 years and were projected to be a dominant force this year.
He can be a part of the championship equation of a team, but not a major one... and it has nothing to do with his athletic talent and everything to do with his weak mentality.
Anyone else get annoyed when he does the fake yell as to insinuate he was fouled? Why? Just so he can go shoot 45% from the foul line?
Posted on 4/16/16 at 12:12 am to WestCoastAg
KG is given a pass because those Twolves teams were hot garbage and he was playing at a time when the Lakers and Spurs were flat out dominant forces.
What he did in Boston in 2008 is more than what Dwight Howard has ever done with any team.
Dwight's best run is in 2009 and even that was a beneficiary of a KG injury and they were swiftly defeated in a boring 5 game Finals series.
What he did in Boston in 2008 is more than what Dwight Howard has ever done with any team.
Dwight's best run is in 2009 and even that was a beneficiary of a KG injury and they were swiftly defeated in a boring 5 game Finals series.
Posted on 4/16/16 at 1:54 am to AmericanSpirit
How can you say
then go on to say about KG
I love KG, too. I agree that he was never going to beat the Lakers or Spurs unless he went 100/100 from the field. Dwight's Magic teams consisted of a Rashard Lewis at the very peak of his career, and an okay Hedo and Jameer Nelson. Yeah, those were his best options.
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The Lakers were projected to be a 65 win team with his addition, and they went to shite.
then go on to say about KG
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KG is given a pass because those Twolves teams were hot garbage and he was playing at a time when the Lakers and Spurs were flat out dominant forces.
I love KG, too. I agree that he was never going to beat the Lakers or Spurs unless he went 100/100 from the field. Dwight's Magic teams consisted of a Rashard Lewis at the very peak of his career, and an okay Hedo and Jameer Nelson. Yeah, those were his best options.
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