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re: Drew Brees omitted from NFL’s all-time team

Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:27 pm to
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:27 pm to
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I made my own opinions and Drew isn’t top 15 in my world . At the end of the day the committee agreed
Not really because as stated, the committee wasn't ranking their 10 best QBs.

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Y’all like Drew I get it seems like a great guy but he is not a top 10 QB in the history of the NFL
The data and facts disagree.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91347 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:27 pm to
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The thing the committee might actually think Brees is a top 10 QB. If you look at these lists and the fact that’s a celebration of the league’s history, then you can see that they were purposely trying to include only a small number of players from each era. So Brees and Rodgers were essentially competing were Brady and Manning for the 2 spots of this era.


The committee did whatever the frick it wanted. Deion and Rod Woodson were the only players to make the CB list who sniffed the 2000s, and both retired in 2003 (Deion came back for a season).
Posted by 1BamaRTR
In Your Head Blvd
Member since Apr 2015
24499 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:29 pm to
Yeah but they still probably considered them the “modern era”. They seem pretty reculant to include more recent players at any position because I guess it’s not “historical” enough.

In addition I feel like they intentionally did this to drum up conversation. And it sure has.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 11:32 pm
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:31 pm to
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Can saints fans stop slobbing this guys knob? Joe Flacco has just as many Super Bowlz as Drew brees, I’d rather flacco


Might be the dumbest comment in a thread full of dumb. GM John Elway would disagree instantly with this stupid take.
Posted by DomePatrol1980
Member since Mar 2018
921 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:36 pm to
Where are your caretakers? Why are they letting you post on a message board because you're obviously retarded. Take the gum and pennies out of your mouth and snap your waterheaded arse back to reality.
Posted by BuckyCheese
Member since Jan 2015
57778 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:37 pm to
Favre>Brees
Posted by KirkLazarus
Member since Aug 2017
3574 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:40 pm to
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Brees owns every record in the book... but not surprising he gets left off. Par for the course. It’s all good though, extra motivation for the goat.



Final Drive, 2 Minutes Left. I want the ball in Elway's hand over Brees
Posted by EarlyCuyler3
Appalachia
Member since Nov 2017
27290 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:41 pm to
Actually, on 2nd thought, Elway might actually take Flacco over Brees still since he clearly has no idea how to actually pick a decent QB. Hard to say.
This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 11:42 pm
Posted by umop_apisdn
Member since Sep 2017
3673 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:47 pm to
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So the guy that will hold every QB record isn’t a top 10 QB. Par for the course for the NFL.


Young people forget Brees is playing in the easiest time for an NFL QB in history.

In the 70's and 80's it was normal for the entire defense to try to knock the QB's head off.

Now it's a penalty if a defensive player hurts the QB's feelings and can't even think about laying out a receiver.

This post was edited on 12/27/19 at 11:50 pm
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 12/27/19 at 11:50 pm to
Yeah. Staubach and Favre over him is pretty nuts.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39018 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:56 am to
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Young people forget Brees is playing in the easiest time for an NFL QB in history.

In the 70's and 80's it was normal for the entire defense to try to knock the QB's head off.

Now it's a penalty if a defensive player hurts the QB's feelings and can't even think about laying out a receiver.


Nothing against Brees, he can't control what bullshite world he lives in...but he can also ONLY be compared against his peers and in this era.

And the Committee has said, we think Brady and Manning were better.

Remember that sack where Brees fumbled against the Niners a few years ago...and it was called roughing the passer because the guy sacked him with a forearm in the upper chest and the Saints went from losing the game to winning.

Try telling that bullshite to Ken Stabler, Bradshaw and Staubach.

Nothing against Brees but you can't touch these frickers. No wonder all the career leaders and highest QB ratings are all from the last fricking 15 years.

So to judge Brees vs. Brady and Manning, fine.

To judge Brees vs. Staubach is absurd. I just don't see Brees thriving in a game 40 years ago when it wasn't basketball on grass.

People love to hate on Elway but that fricker could play in any era...thick, strong, fast.

There are only a few QBs that could survive a real pass rush.

Elway was one, Staubach was one. Doubt Brady could...he could make a sandwich back there most of his career

I think all time QB lists should be about could they play in any era...and how much better were they than their peers.

Brees then, has to be seen as equal to Brady and Manning...which the selectors did not see it that way. Those are his two top peers...and who knows what they thought of Rodgers despite the slobbering the last 10 years over him.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91347 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 12:57 am to
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Final Drive, 2 Minutes Left. I want the ball in Elway's hand over Brees


Weird. You'd think you'd want the guy with game winning drives in 18.2% of his starts instead of the guy with GWDs in 17.1% of his starts.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39018 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:00 am to
And anybody saying Marino doesn't belong on this list is fricking retarded.

He invented the basketball on grass Brees/Brady era...WITHOUT dinking and dunking like them and with a real pass rush.

Dude couldn't move if you pushed him but he was one of the most impossible QBs to sack because of his release.

So accurate, throwing the ball downfield.
This post was edited on 12/28/19 at 1:02 am
Posted by WestlakeTiger
San Antonio, Tejas
Member since Feb 2012
9488 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:00 am to
Which NFL records does Marino hold?

Don't worry. Ill wait.

Dude is getting love for wallowing down in Miami all those years.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91347 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:09 am to
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He invented the basketball on grass Brees/Brady era...WITHOUT dinking and dunking like them and with a real pass rush.


He only averages about a yard more per completion on a substantially lower completion percentage, but sure, let's act like dinking and dunking is how Brees and Co operate.
Posted by KirkLazarus
Member since Aug 2017
3574 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:13 am to
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Weird. You'd think you'd want the guy with game winning drives in 18.2% of his starts instead of the guy with GWDs in 17.1% of his starts.



You would think that, if the regular season stats were how we determined the champion. I want the one with a 14-7 Playoff record and 6 game winning drives

Drew Brees is only 8-7 in the playoffs with one good year. He's just floating above .500, could easily lose another this year.
Posted by mizzoubuckeyeiowa
Member since Nov 2015
39018 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:19 am to
This debate will lead nowhere if people don't agree that football was fundamentally different in the 60's/70's than it was in the 50's and fundamentally different in the 80's compared to the 2000's.

That's just a fact.

You can only be measured by your peers and the era you played in.

And for whatever reason, good or bad, people have said, Brees is not as good as Brady or Manning.

That's why he's not on the list I guess. He can't be compared to Staubach or Marino.

I think the committee rightfully so, determined the question was, which quarterbacks dominated their eras.

You could argue Brees did but the consensus is that it was Brady and Manning...that define this era.

And you can't compare eras. So once Brees doesn't win his era, he's out. That's the committee's reasoning and it makes sense.

Holding records, when the game was so different across the eras means nothing really.

It's what did your contemporaries think of you, that's the only question that matters.

Sure Brees is going to be statistically earth shattering than Unitas...but you know what, Brees didn't play football in 1955.

He played the QB position in the easiest time for a QB in the history of football.

Current QBs get watered down in the public's view when everyone is putting up huge numbers and the career best QB ratings are all modern players, even the ones who totally sucked. Frankly you don't get punished for making bad decisions in today's games, you have to be awful to throw a pick.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
91347 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:20 am to
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You would think that, if the regular season stats were how we determined the champion. I want the one with a 14-7 Playoff record and 6 game winning drives

Drew Brees is only 8-7 in the playoffs with one good year. He's just floating above .500, could easily lose another this year.


Think about your logic here - you're essentially holding things like the Minneapolis Miracle against Drew.

Drew led the Chargers on a last minute drive vs the Jets in the 2005 playoffs. Threw a TD to tie the game with 11 seconds left, went to OT, drove them into FG range and they missed a 40 yarder then gave up a FG drive themselves.

^This is why Elway is more clutch.

Give me a fricking break.

Posted by Arthur Fleck
Member since Oct 2019
331 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:25 am to
I agree w/ the selections. Those were the same 10 I chose on the website predictor. This just gives a better insight of how Brees is viewed on a broader spectrum, outside of Louisiana. Like it or not, most experts/historians would pick Elway over Brees. Truth is, he needs another ring to solidify himself in the Top 10.
This post was edited on 12/28/19 at 1:30 am
Posted by Hamma1122
Member since Sep 2016
21904 posts
Posted on 12/28/19 at 1:38 am to
They got it right
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