re: Do any fans of a successful CFB program bitch about their coach more

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run by coaches that are A. goofy and B. appear to not give 2 fricks about titles.

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you are a hopeless if you think Miles, Richt, Brown etc don't care about winning titles. sorry, because a guy doesn't yell and scream and throw his headset or visor on the sideline, doesn't mean he doesn't care or want to win.

Bill Walsh was pretty laid back, Think he didn't want to win? Coach K is nothing like Knight on the sidelines at least and he's been more sucessful.

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If either coach wasn't as goofy the bitching would probably be less.

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So you are more concerned with superfical personality, makes about as much sense as worrying about what other teams fans think.

Does PTI say other successful CFB coaches made, "the dumbest series of play calls in college football history,"?

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which we are not when all the top teams recruit well and constantly have higher rated classes.

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Completely false. Don't look at recruiting class look at the the guys on the field. LSU matches up very well against anyone in the country the past few years.

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You don't think playing the first D in 25 years to lead the nation in the 4 main defensive statistical categories may have played a part in a bad offensive performance?

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A bad offensive performance?

Monday night was a bad offensive performance. Much of the 2012 season was a bad offensive performance. The first game in Tuscaloosa last year was a bad offensive performance.

The national championship game was far more than a bad offensive performance. It was one of the most totally inept offensive performances of all time. 5 first downs. Less than 100 total yards. 0 points. Running 4 total plays in opponent territory the entire game. And you think that's just a bad offensive performance?

Kent st was more successful against alabama. North Texas was more successful against Alabama. Vanderbilt was more successful against Alabama. Georgia southern was more successfully against Alabama.

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I wasn't, i was talking about how other, well respected coaches have lost big bads in embarassing fashion.

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The quote you were responding to was about it being the most embarrassing loss possible. The only way to distinguish a loss as being embarrassing is to talk about how the loss occurred. Specific details explain how the loss occurred.

So again, how we're you not talking about specific details?

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The lost by 5 TD

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LSU lost by 3 touchdowns, had 5 first downs, had less than 100 total yards, did not cross the 50 yard line until the 4th quarter, and never even remotely threatened to score 1 time.

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No, the points he made don't conform to your view, that's it, they are just as likely.

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Ok, let's play a game. I'll name the scenarios the original guy was talking about. You name the scenarios in which les miles has 3 national championships. Then we can bring all the scenarios to an independent party and let them determine if one is more likely than the other.I'll go first:

1. A football tossed blindly over someone's head lands on a grass field and doesn't bounce perfectly straight up in the air.

2. Jordan Jefferson is not ready, the ball is snapped and fumbled, Tennessee has 11 players on the field, the game is over.

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Excellent point. Same thing applies to Nick Saban and Alabama the lst 2 seasons. If just 3 easy FG's are made in games Nick Saban was not even coaching, he would have only 1 NC and be in his 2nd straight Sugar Bowl. One of those missed FG was in a game that was as big an upset based on the spread as Pitt over WVU.

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When did the topic of this thread turn from les miles to nick Saban?

I've noticed something the last few days. The miles defenders that are always lambasting people for comparing miles to Saban are now the people bringing up Saban in attempt to defend miles. Why is that?

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in the 2002 Kentucky game, Nick Saban tried to call a TO, but didn't get it, if he had, the Blue Grass miricle doesn't happen. If Lorenzen doesn't call a TO with 15 seconds left, as his coach did not want, the BGM doesn't happen.

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See above.

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Are all fake kicks retarded, or only the one's called by Les Miles?

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No, all fake fgs are not retarded, neither are all the ones called by Miles. The 2 he's called that require the holder to blindly toss the ball over his head to the kicker are retarded. There is no need for it and no reason the holder can't turn and pitch the ball to the kicker.

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Or maybe you just see what you want to see. Les calls a fake FG its retarded. Saban or Sean Payton or Urban Meyer do, they are genius.

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Speaking of only seeing what you want to see

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What did Saban have to do with Ole Miss' all SEC kicker missing 2 FGs in the 2003 game? Or Tenn missing 3 in the 2009 Bama-UT game? What about the end of the SEC CG this year? All coaches get lucky. You just want to hold it against Les.

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Again, I thought this thread was about les miles. When did it become about Saban, and now apparently, all coaches?

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what scenarios that result in him losing a game he won are valid, but ones that have him winning are not. That's called not being objective.

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No, not being objective is your contention that a football not bouncing perfectly off the ground when blindly tossed over someones head is equally as likely a scenario as a coach that has only won 1 championship and played for another, somehow winning 3 championships.

Its so foregone from being reasonable anymore. "Fans" openly tell me they would rather us lose until Miles is gone that have this level of success with him here.

The problem is there isnt a coach out there that has invented new and fricked up ways to completely evaporate any type of goodwill with some decision or strategy. Its amazing how he does it. We ran the table with the toughest schedule I've ever seen. Awesome season...but no one cares because we had 95 yards and Alabama has another title.

Saban outpacing every other human on the planet in success doesnt help either.

Hes done a great job at sustaining. Regardless of what some of these idiots tell you, its not as simple as rolling out the bed and winning 11 games. Ask Kiffin or even Meyer. Hes had some rough ones.

Its the internet age...everyone sucks. People try to laugh at Bob Stoops, he won 100 games in a decade, has a NC and about EIGHT Big 12 titles.