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re: Death to the BCS
Posted on 1/4/11 at 4:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 1/4/11 at 4:57 pm to SlowFlowPro
Having a big playoff (16 teams) would further diminish the need to have a quality schedule. Why miss around with playing a hard schedule when you can go independent, rack up 8 or 9 homes and play 2-3 current BCS teams a year? Why fight to go 11-1 in the SEC when you can go 11-1 against Sun Belt/MAC/C-USA teams an 2-3 SEC/ACC/Big East teams and still get into the playoffs?
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Posted on 1/4/11 at 5:00 pm to GamecockAlum
Well, going independent would be rather stupid, as you wouldn't get an auto bid for winning the independents. And why on earth would you drop out of the SEC to join the Sun Belt? Can you imagine how much money you'd lose as an AD playing that schedule?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 5:00 pm to GamecockAlum
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Having a big playoff (16 teams) would further diminish the need to have a quality schedule
this is true. it's hard to argue otherwise
you're making it easier to get in, and unless they make SOS a large part of the formula for at-larges, it's better strategy to play 4, 1-AA teams OOC
save your losses
Posted on 1/4/11 at 5:02 pm to SlowFlowPro
It's quite easy to argue otherwise. If we look at selection committees in other sports, they have almost always rewarded teams with more losses and a tough schedule than few losses and a weak schedule. Look at lacrosse's 16-team field and how their committee behaves. They put in all 4 ACC teams last year... and the fourth place team won the national title. They also played arguably the toughest schedule in the country and were justly rewarded for it.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 5:14 pm to Baloo
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Well, going independent would be rather stupid, as you wouldn't get an auto bid for winning the independents. And why on earth would you drop out of the SEC to join the Sun Belt? Can you imagine how much money you'd lose as an AD playing that schedule?
don't bother, we had a long thread about TCU the other day
Basically he thinks SOS should be how many BCS teams you play, not necessarily beat, just play.
This post was edited on 1/4/11 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 1/4/11 at 5:17 pm to Baloo
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Can you imagine how much money you'd lose as an AD playing that schedule?
Independents don't have to share money with anyone. You make the BCS, that's your money. You get a nice media deal, that's your money. Why split your pie when you can keep it all to yourself? Besides, you could schedule as many home games as you'd like which would make up for any money lost as well and you can sign deals to play "away" games all over the country a la Notre Dame.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 6:45 pm to GamecockAlum
Did you know the B1G teams make more $ off tv than Notre Dame does?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 7:56 pm to Baloo
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If we look at selection committees in other sports, they have almost always rewarded teams with more losses and a tough schedule than few losses and a weak schedule.
a. i seriously hope no selection committee is used with the CFB playoffs
b. CFB doesn't rank teams like other sports
Posted on 1/4/11 at 7:58 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Did you know the B1G teams make more $ off tv than Notre Dame does?
Bigger fanbases + better product on the field.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 8:50 pm to GamecockAlum
Better product has nothing to do with anything and ND has as big a fan base as anyone but the point is even sharing revenue, the B1G makes more per team.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:03 pm to H-Town Tiger
quote:That's because there is at least a few Big 10 teams on tv who are relevant. Notre Dame hasn't been relevant to the casual fan in many years.
Better product has nothing to do with anything and ND has as big a fan base as anyone but the point is even sharing revenue, the B1G makes more per team.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:11 pm to SlowFlowPro
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a. i seriously hope no selection committee is used with the CFB playoffs
b. CFB doesn't rank teams like other sports
a. is actually serious problem. The committee in other sports actually do a very good job, using all of the tools with a dash of sense. I'd love to see the CFB ditch the farcical BCS ratings and go to a committee.
b. is technically true, but completely irrelevant. Every other college sport is free to ignore rankings that make no sense. The BCS poll is essentially the voting polls with a check for extreme stupidity. And the illusion of mathemtical objectivity.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:13 pm to Baloo
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I'd love to see the CFB ditch the farcical BCS ratings and go to a committee.
it would essentially invalidate the argument of most BCS haters, and make the system even worse, per their arguments
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is technically true, but completely irrelevant.
you want to completely change the sport? why?
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:14 pm to GeauxTigersLee
Just finished the book. There needs to be a playoff of some sort. When a BCS school goes undefeated and doesn't even get a chance to play for the title, the system is schrewed up.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
i'd also like to ask all pro-playoff people to decide on a single system to argue about. that's the first step
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:16 pm to Baloo
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The committee in other sports actually do a very good job, using all of the tools with a dash of sense.
It's easier not to see problems when 32 or 64 teams get invited to the postseason. If you're going to a 16 team playoff with 11 AQ conference champions and 5 at-large spots, you can't have a selection committee because there's too much risk of bias in evaluating teams that are very similar to each other - fewer games and usually 0 common opponents which are "tools" used by those committees.
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:17 pm to GeauxTigersLee
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If you're going to a 16 team playoff with 11 AQ conference champions and 5 at-large spots
i think most non-insane people agree this is a horrible system
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:18 pm to SlowFlowPro
Chucking the BCS rankings would not "completely change the sport". To argue as such is silly. You could have the same exact system in place now and just use, say, the Harris Poll to rank teams. It makes just as much sense and would have literally no impact on the sport.
quote:I have no idea what this even means, so I will just ignore it, like I ignore most of the BCS defenses, whcih boil down to "I will defend whatever system is in place".
it would essentially invalidate the argument of most BCS haters, and make the system even worse, per their arguments
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:20 pm to SlowFlowPro
That format is better than just the top 16 or top 8
Posted on 1/4/11 at 9:21 pm to H-Town Tiger
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Better product has nothing to do with anything
Why do you think casual/outside fans watch SEC football? Because of the quality of competition.
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ND has as big a fan base as anyone
Not really. I'm willing to bet that a significant portion of their "fanbase" are of the t-shirt/media-induced variety.
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the B1G makes more per team.
More teams + more markets + better product on the field = more money. Not hard to understand really.
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